Tuesday, May 19

Monday Dinner + Politics = Nose in Corner :-(

Because of Victoria Day (the Queen's Birthday - if we don't get a holiday we'll all run away?) Sunday family dinner happened on Monday and I spent a lot of it in front of my sister and parents with my nose actually in the corner. How humiliating...


I guess the story starts on Saturday evening. I was trying to help my husband David get going on his diet (see The COVID 25) and as a reward for getting under 220 pounds (a first goal indicating he was kicking into diet mode) I told him "he could be the man for the weekend, give me a spanking, and have his way with me afterwards." David had been punished pretty bad by me, so I think he was grateful to be allowed to switch it up.

Saturday night I got my panties-lowered spanking right across his knee. He now knows I like it 'kinda hard in order to feel properly submissive in bed, so he gave me what I needed. For fear of being repetitive, it was very similar to what I described in Spanked and Utterly Dominated in Bed.

Art by Overbarrel from Growing Pains Episode 8

The main activity he required of me sexually afterwards was me on my knees giving him a blowjob. He was rough with me. He grabbed my hair and the back of my head and pulled me onto his dick. He made me gag. Only after a hard spanking (to tears) does servicing him in this way turn me on in a way it doesn't when I've not been properly prepared with a red stinging ass.


He decided he did not want to finish in my pussy, or my bumhole, or my hand, but rather directly into my mouth. He knows I have a gag reaction to his warm salty musty semen in my mouth, and want nothing more than to run and spit it out. But I am required to swallow now, every time, so I did. Blech! I was still horny after all of that, but he did not reciprocate, and I had to go to bed horny.

As we were cuddling in bed I asked him if he could make something up at family dinner about spanking me for something or other, to keep it going. I had received a comment (and some follow up emails) from a blog fan that struck me...

I think the appropriate reaction to this incident - as you mentioned, cutting David out of decision-making - is your loss of decision-making privileges. You clearly are acting like a brat, not a responsible adult - and so should be treated like one. Your 'inner child' has taken over, and so you should be treated by all involved - David, your parents, Sue - like a spoiled child.

What does that mean? Tonight when you go over to dinner, David should send you to your (childhood) room, where you will stand with your nose in the corner, possibly with your bottom bared, while David discusses your childish behavior over dinner with your parents. You shouldn't be part of that conversation or get to contribute or even listen to it because your actions don't indicate sufficient maturity to participate in an adult conversation.

After they're done with dinner, they'll come tell you what they've decided is the best way to deal with you. This isn't a 'contract' between consenting adults - this is a spoiled brat being told what the new rules are. To me, it only makes sense that any of the responsible adults (David/Dad/Mom/Sue) in your life will spank you - on the spot - whenever you misbehave. You clearly aren't responding to adult rules of behavior, so you need this constant and physical keeping in line, via hard spankings.

David should present your parents with a wooden paddle to be hung on a hook in the kitchen, and tell them that he needs them to spank you on the spot. And if you get spanked when you're out, you should expect another spanking from David at home, because your misbehavior reflects poorly on him.

You've reverted to acting like a spoiled brat - you should be treated like one.
That sort of talk turns me on and resonates with something i crave. I lay bare my desire to David that some of these concepts could maybe come true with his help? He was non-committal but said he'd do a little something for me if the opportunity arose (yes - foreshadowing much already?!).


So fast forward and we're at Monday dinner. We've gotten most of the way through the main course and I give David a discrete kick under the table.

"Oh, that's right," he says, making it obvious that he was kicked. "Julie wanted me to mention something about her spanking this week."

"Not like that..." I said, instantly blushing.

"So," said Sue, 'helping out', "did she get spanked this week?"

Mom and Dad were not saying anything, but smiling a little.

"She did," said David. "I really did need to go on a diet, and Julie promised me that if I got it started that as a kind of reward she should get a spanking and then she would do, and I quote..."

"David. No!" I interrupted. It was not supposed to go down like this. He was supposed to say something cute about how I had misbehaved or something.

"What?" asked Sue.

"That I could do anything I wanted with her in bed afterwards," he finished.

Dad literally laughed aloud and Mom smiled.

"And whatever did you do?" asked Sue 'innocently', looking directly at David.

I was blushing soooo much. This was not going how I had imagined!

"Anything I wanted," said David, 'tactfully', leaving it to their imaginations, which is probably worse!

"Perhaps not suitable for dinnertime conversation," said my Mom.

"Yeah," I said, a little put out. There was a bit of a pregnant silence. This was not the "being treated like a little girl" I had imagined. So I was 'gonna be a brat! Take that! I knew I shouldn't, but I did... "So did you see Trump's 'Truth before Facts' campaign ad?" I asked. It had just come out earlier that day. I thought it was a hilarious troll on Sleepy Joe and the lefties by the God Emperor Trump's team.


"Let's NOT talk about 'that man'," said my Mom with quite some vitriol. Poor Mom. Her brain has been damaged by the likes of CNN and CNBC.

"No politics at the dinner table," warned Dad.

I was going to back off... but... I did feel strongly about it and totally stifled, and... spanking?

"Why?" I asked. I knew darned well. "Why can't we just discuss anything at all without Mom getting all crazy and upset?"

"But why always US politics?" added my sister. We are in Canada after all.

"Oh great," I countered, "so we have to talk about Turdeau, I suppose?" Canada's lefty Prime Minister is actually a dumb failed drama teacher with good hair and childish socks called 'Justin Trudeau' who happens to be the son of his much brighter truly liberal (in the best sense) father Pierre Trudeau. Most of us just call the son 'Turdeau' out of a complete lack of respect.

Justin Turdeau

"That's enough!" said David. I looked at him defiantly and stomped a foot. At that point I didn't know what would happen, but I was pretty sure something would!

"Go put your nose in the corner. Right now," he said.

What? Corner time? I wanted a spanking! But there was still hope for it, I thought. I pouted and went towards the corner. David followed me. He pushed my nose deeper into the corner. "You're clearly not mature enough to sit at the table with the adults. You stay there until it's time to go," he said. OMG. This was just the sort of "treating me like a little girl" that I had talked to him about!!!!

Despite it being sort of what I wanted, it was still sooo embarrassed. My Mom, my Dad, my Sister, all saw me treated like a child by my husband. Having to stand with my nose in the corner? For the whole rest of the visit??? I'd miss desert! And they probably figured I was due for a spanking when he got me home, if not before then!

I really, really wanted to act up in the corner. Maybe get a spanking on the spot. Or goad him into punishing me by baring my bottom for the rest of my cornertime, like this.


Imagine how embarrassing that would be? But no. I figured I could not legitimately misbehave any more than I already had or it would be me openly challenging my husband's authority in front of the family, which I would not do. It was in his hands now. He had spoken. Besides, in a way, this may have been even worse. More real, you know?

The conversation continued, without me. The table was cleared. Desert was brought out. There were berries for David and I as we were "low-carbing" it.

"Can she come out of the corner for desert?" asked my Mom to David. She didn't ask me. She asked him! About me coming out of the corner!

"No, she needs to learn her lesson." he said, masterfully I thought.

Oh damn. I was stuck with my nose in the corner. Did I mention that it was HUMILIATING!?!?!

They finished desert and cleared and then went into the living room to finish out the evening. I was still standing with my nose in the corner! David was not going to relent. To add insult to injury, somebody turned the dimmer down when they left the dining room, leaving me in the gloom. David told me later that it was Sue. Nobody fixed it, though.


They talked interminably about nothing at all in the living room. I was feeling quite sorry for myself now. Banished away from the grownups with my nose firmly in the corner. It had been likely a half hour or so by now. I even felt some little tears rolling down my cheeks. It was way more humiliating than I could have imagined or had banked on.


Finally David called me over: "Julie! We're leaving. Come on over here."

I went to them all sitting in the living room. My cheeks were a bit wet from my tears and I was sniffling a bit. What's with that? I was totally regressing and couldn't even help it.

"What do you have to say to your Mother?" David asked me.

"I'm sorry I talked about politics at the dinner table, Mom." I said, sniffling a bit, sheepishly.

"You know, I don't mind this new Julie at all," said my Mom to David.

"Let's go baby," said David, "you know what you're getting as soon as we're home, I hope?"

In my current state I really could not even say the word "spanking". Instead I just said "yes sir," quietly.

"Don't be too hard on her now. She can have her politics, just not at the dinner table," said Dad.

Daddy was a bit of a conservative, like David, though unlike me they did not like Trump. They both shared my distaste for Justin, though, but nobody really likes our Canadian conservative alternative, a fellow named Andrew Scheer who seems to have no backbone. The real alternative is a former conservative cabinet minister and MP for 13 years who branched off from the conservative party and created a new party called the PPC. His name is Maxime Bernier, whom I adore, but they don't. Everybody calls him Mad Max. In a CBC (state broadcaster) interview by Steve Paquin on a show called The Agenda, Steve challenged him on his nickname (at the 24:00 minute mark):

Steve: You know what your nickname is right?
Max: yeah!
Steve: What do they call you?
Max: Mad Max
Steve:Right, after that Mel Gibson movie.
Max: yeah yeah yeah
Steve: Do you like that nickname?
Max: Yes!
Steve: Why?
Max: Because I'm mad!
  • I'm mad at the liberals and the big deficit that they are doing.
  • I'm mad that we have a government in Ottawa that is interfering in Provincial jurisdiction and don't respect the constitution.
  • I'm mad at the way that politicians are doing politics today.
  • I'm mad that all the politicians in Ottawa are fighting for a special interest group and not fighting for the interests of the Canadian consumer in the file of supply management.
  • I'm mad at all that.
  • So yes, you can call me Mad Max!
Steve: Well I won't call you that. I'll call your Mister Bernier, but I understand all that and how you don't take it as a bad one.
If you're Canadian and interested in Maxime Bernier, you can listen to the whole interview above. He's been, of course, ridiculously smeared by all and sundry, but ignore that and listen to his words!

Anyhoo...

David took me home, and sure enough, I went right across his lap for a spanking as soon as we got into the door. I mean literaly. I was marched straight to the sofa, he pulled down my pants and my panties, and he gave me a very hard hand spanking that had me yelping and shrieking and promising to be good and no more politics at the dinner table!!!!


Once the dust had settled, I asked him about the incident. About the first spanking reference, he said he wasn't going to lie for me. Ok. Fair enough. When I got bratty and talked politics, especially Trump, he knew that I knew better and was being a deliberate brat. He thought he'd give me a punishment that conformed to my concept of being treated "like a little girl by the adults", which he thought I actually deserved in this case, but did not cater directly to my kink. He thought me cooling my heels in the corner for the entire rest of the visit would teach me a lesson. Besides, he added, any more would have been forced. He may build up to it. He'll see. He said he'd definitely be reporting on the spanking he just gave me next weekend, with a dire warning of no more politics at supper.

I must confess, I had an inkling... personally I don't think we were too far away from this:


Oh Boy!

78 comments:

  1. Ugh, politics lol.

    I can handle political differences with people, but when people bring it up just to annoy others they should be getting their bare butts blistered for all in sundry!

    That includes you Julie!

    -Kasey

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  2. Atta girl Jules ! I like this one. And I think you’re pretty close to that last image! Keep it up sweet girl ;)

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    1. Yeah, that's only cause you didn't spend over a half an hour with your nose in the corner!

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  3. Julie how were you dressed during your timeout?

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    1. Usual - casual jeans and shirt. I know, I know - skirts and dresses from now on...

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    2. I mean, if you wear a skirt or dress, at least you get to keep some modesty if David decides to bare your butt!

      ...unless he has you hold it up while he pulls your panties down that is!

      -Kasey

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    3. Yes, there are two levels. Panties around ankles, skirt down. Bad enough. Panties around ankles holding skirt up. Worse!

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    4. And yet, it's quite the turn on, lol.

      -Kasey

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    5. Especially if you have a family dinner hidden agenda planned, you should be making an effort to dress a little more “little”. Ensuring that your family sees David leading you by the hand into the home and things like that. Just extra little ad ons that’s all.

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    6. It feels like it's heading there naturally!

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  4. corner time at home is a bit more cozy, you know, lingerie, plugs, hands on knees, elbows on knees, a bit more private.

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    1. Too kinky for a little girl like me 👧

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    2. Uh oh, hair ribbons, saddle shoes, lollipop the whole works? A -line dress, ruffles, apron? nighty? footie pajamas with a trapdoor? a teddy bear? a raggedy Anne Doll? how far back are we talking? all the way to pacifier and diapers? they were mentioned in the contract? mouth soaping?

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  5. Such a lovely image. Would be made even more humiliating if you were diapered under your jeans! If that’s too much for the family, I bet with your slender figure you could fit into XL bedwetter pull-ups (Huggies Goodnites for example). They aren’t as obvious as a big padded adult diaper, and would be quite cute even if exposed to the fam. Imagine corner time at your parents in just a little pull-up and tshirt. Or topless?! Your poor old dad’s head might explode!

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    1. I would love to do something really childish and get a diapered in front of the family, but yikes!

      Maybe when it's cottage season and David diapers me for the drive up so I don't have to make him stop to pee. Of course, I would be made fun of once at the cottage, and a quick diaper check would reveal that a change was needed, along with a spanking for wetting them. Ahhh.

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    2. Ha ha! Yes! Obviously you would need to be kept in diapers for a while longer if they are found to be wet after the drive (if they are wet then you clearly need them!). With all of the family around though, I’m left to wonder who gets what job? Mom does the diaper check? David spanks your wet bottom? Sue re-diapers you? Or some other combination?

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    3. They'd only be wet because David wouldn't stop at a rest stop when I need him to!

      I wantDaddy to powder me...

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  6. You’re so naughty! Little naughty girl!

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  7. I have a question, Julie... are there any hard limits to what you would do in front of your sister/parents in terms of discipline, childish consequences etc?

    You do seem quite close to getting a bare bottom spanking in front of your entire family, and I now read you may be open to being diapered and spanked in front of them... So I do wonder where your limit is? :P

    I don't think dear old Daddy is going to complain, no matter how far you push it, and your sister... well she's already much more involved than your parents know. So I think it's all up to you!

    -Kasey

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    1. I've ALREADY been spanked in front of Mom and Dad!
      With those close to me whom I trust, I, personally, have no limits. I was born without an off switch! I am always worried where other peoples' limits are, however. Mom's limits I am likely pretty close to, and I may get a talking to at any time. Dad seems more fun loving in this regard, but his limits are not too far away either. I am hopeful for bare bottom corner time, and spankings from David and Daddy, but who knows?

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  8. Next time maybe you get spanked by David at home just before dinner and when you get there he can be tell everyone how you acted up and he had to spank you but you didn't have enough time to do a corner time at home after the spanking so you should now be sent to the corner for a little while , while you're in the corner David will walk up to you and lift up your skirt to display your already sore tush. Obviously if you act up while you're there you will be bent across his knee once again getting a spanking but this time it will be with a wooden spoon ,he will tell your mom/dad or sue to "fetch" the wooden spoon from the kitchen because a very "naughty" girl needs to be taught a lesson
    After the spanking put in the corner again like a little girl ,he will let you come out later for having dinner ,how great would it be sitting on a nicely spanked bottom at the dinner table !
    :-)

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  9. I bet during corner time you got wetter and wetter in your panties...

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    1. It dries up pretty quick when you're in a dark room with your nose literally touching the corner for 30 minutes!

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    2. You deserved every minute of it. After all you got some nice spankings out of it and hopefully learned a lesson. I would have made you suck me off again at home with no more pleasure for you whatsoever.
      And if you acted up during the week, you could start the next parent-dinner-time in the corner and then maybe you get to sit at the kids-table...
      With everyone watching you sitting there on your separate table apart from the grownups...

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    3. I really do think a sexual-oriented punishment after her spanking is appropriate for wives. It really drives home who wears the pants in the family!

      And that would be embarrassing if Mom had that all set up for me next week!

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    4. You could ask Sue to put that in motion, so then the idea wouldn't come directly from you.

      Does that idea with the extra table for naughty julie strike a chord there?

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    5. It does... along with instructions to not complain, not pout, eat up everything on my plate, and speak only when spoken to. Any misbehavior will be dealt with on the spot, across the knee, short skirt up, patterned cotton panties down, by any of the adults present. tee hee

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    6. Well the only person missing on spanking you would be your mom......

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    7. Oh no, she can as well!

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  10. Hard to believe someone intelligent has anything good to say about Trump. His actions suggest he's actively trying to destroy the country. People here (in the U.S.) are seriously tired of his bratty behavior, and they are very likely to punish him and his party at the polls in November.

    As for better and more serious punishments in front of your parents, you may want to have a straight time discussion with each of them about what their limits actually are. If you blow through them, you might get something worse than a spanking.

    If you really care about your family, you probably need to think about how you are affecting them. I suggest starting a list. You could probably think of at least three or four reasons why what you're doing with them deserves additional punishment. Perhaps the next time you're in the corner you could devote some time to that!

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    1. Well agree to disagree about God Emperor Trump.

      I don't think any more explicit discussion than we've already had is needed. They haven't said anything to date so they're clearly not offended, and they don't act offended - they accept it and even seem to be encouraging it?

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    2. The fact they haven't said anything doesn't imply they aren't offended. But, even if they aren't offended, that isn't the only way it might be causing them problems.

      You won't know unless you proactively discuss it with them or it blows up in some way.

      I'm wishing you the best. Unlike some people, I do have a bit of empathy. It is, however, tempered with a complete unwillingness to be used.

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    3. You'll be happy to know Mom and I had tea yesterday and we spoke at some length. It was initiated by her and it was a very honest conversation.

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  11. David switched the scene on you and put you in the corner without the spanking and bare bottom, just like a child and for an adult that is embarrassing. You have already been spanked in front of dad and mom bare bottom and once dad spanked you. I'm wondering why the need to be spanked in front of them again. It's going to get to the point mom and dad are going to say you are only doing this for your own turn on. I believe the scene is already set where they know if you act up they can spank you and David will also spank in front of them when called for. Let the die roll where they may and see what happens.
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    1. I agree. It can't be forced. What is good is that my week's spankings are now considered casual dinner time conversation!

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  12. Your parents must be really looking forward to your weekend visits Julie....never a dull moment!

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  13. It's Steve PAIKIN, not Paquin. I assume that was an auto-correct.
    No doubt you've lost some readers by "coming out" as a conservative and worse, dissing Dreamy Justin. Funny how quickly the tolerant left become intolerant of any view contrary to their own. They'll accept any kind of sexual deviance but God forbid anyone - especially a woman - form their own political opinion not in lockstep with theirs.

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    1. Thanks! I didn't look it up, I just tried sounding it out 😊
      Well good riddance if THAT'S the reason they leave! But no, I think lefties find hot Conservative gals sexy. They'd love to spank the Trump out of us, or alternatively be punished for being a lefty because they are secretly guilt ridden about it :-)

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    2. Now do you see how he uses a straw man argument to accuse everyone and no one in particular of misogyny and manages to polaraize society into 2 groups???, well done! A woman's opinion is how the blog exists after all!

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    3. Well Vive La Difference!

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  14. Can we have a 'no politics talk on the blog' rule as well :D
    The punishment for doing otherwise can be that you have to do anything WE tell you to...

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    1. Good idea!
      It's just that I got my nose put in the corner for it so I had to raise it.
      Yet you'd think I would learn my lesson from it!

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  15. My family always had fierce political discussions around the dinner table. It’s healthy. Even my conservative parents would not have supported Trump. Today they’re a minority, but he’s absolutely despised by most of the great conservatives who once made the party respectable. Our Constitution trashing, pathological lying, narcissistic white collar criminal cheating, irresponsible incompetent poorly educated everything handed to him in life coward who mocks those with courage tends to offend people of all political persuasions outside his cult.

    Yes, give this old lefty an old-fashioned Conservative gal. They make great heads of households. ;)

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    1. If only you could hear how divisive and crazy-seeming your comments sound to somebody like me, but I'm sure you think you are being 100% rational, and the more power to you. We shall agree to disagree on this topic, Brett!

      And I consider myself a good old-fashioned Liberal gal who believes in equality of opportunity, charity, small government, and free speech!

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    2. He has circumvented government by simply not staffing it and firing anyone who has the sworn task to investigate him. not a single truth has he spoken and he has mismanaged everything and literally staffed the cabinet with those who would do the opposite of the title of their post I am surprised to not see 100's of rebukes on this thread today.

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    3. Let's agree to disagree on all of that there!

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    4. He'll soon be gone, Brett, and for probably just the reason that he's offended so many conservatives. If you heard what conservatives like Steve Schmidt have to say about him, it would make your hair curl. Heck, if he had any hair, it would make his own hair curl!

      I'm deeply disappointed in Trump. At first, I thought he is so craven that he might do some good things just because they would make him popular. But, it turns out he doesn't know anything and he doesn't care about anything, other than how much money it gets him.

      No reason to give up on Julie, though, just because she has a different opinion. I'd be a fine liberal if I couldn't tolerate a difference of opinion.

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    5. What I find with the anti Trump crowd in general, and displayed by both Brett and Rich here, is that they often speak in broad generalities without giving any specific examples of either wrongdoing or wrong policy. So we get obviously incorrect hyperbole that the President "does not know anything". Why don't you pick one specific thing he has done wrong, the most serious and significant thing, and start there? That's a discussion I could engage in and might be productive.

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    6. The list of Trump’s offenses is so long, we could make it the subject of this blog. Who wants that? I’m still astonished when Trump supporters act as if we anti-Trumpers are engaging is baseless rhetoric or vague generalities. Where have you been? I mean, okay, Trump’s a mobster, but he’s your mobster. He’s an alt-right wet dream. But, damn, read a book. Get away from Fox News for a day. :)

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    7. Did you notice what you just did? Thank you for making my point better than I.

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    8. On the other side of the balance sheet, here are a few of the good things Trump has done.

      - clamping down on ILLEGAL immigration (I support legal, merit-based, and political asylum). I support foreign aid for dealing with poor folks elsewhere (assuming the aid gets to where it needs to). The levels of both legal immigration and foreign aid are of course subject to debate (no, more is not always better, children)

      - Tax cuts - I believe in smaller government and that the money can be better directed by consumers than by big government.

      - Regulatory reform - multiple overlapping regulations that do no good should be gotten rid of to promote economic growth and healthcare reform. Trump was the first to do that in a very long time.

      - Foreign trade - I totally believe in free trade, but if the other side is tarrifing you, you need to even the playing field in order to get them to the table. Trump is doing that.

      - Protectionism as an exception to free trade - I believe that some industries are of national importance and you don't want key supply chains being in the hands of potential future bad actors.

      - Right to try - I believe people should have more freedom of choice concerning their own health

      - Prison reform - too many people, especially poorer people, get railroaded by the justice system and locked up in the Prison-Industrial complex

      - Free speech - Trump required colleges and universities to support free speech on campus or lose their funding. Good.

      - Military spending - hate the deficits, but job #1 of the government is to protect its citizens. The military needed to be rebuilt and it was under Trump

      - Foreign wars - if you're going to be in them, let the soldiers fight (Trump did that and they wiped out ISIS territorial holdings), then get the hell out. Trump is doing more in that regard than most, but it is tricky situation i will admit.

      - Health care reform for the Veterans - high bloody time!

      - Energy independence for the US

      - Not pandering to the "climate catastrophe" crowd, which for the most part is unscientific nonsense - but we can get into that separately!

      - Textualist Judges - Judges who are committed to actually applying the laws as they are written down, not making up new ones and trying to take the place of the lawmakers. Tons of those including 2 supreme court judges.

      Yup - trump did all of that, while being viciously slandered over the Russian Collusion narrative that proved to be entirely fabricated and kept alive for political reasons.

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    9. And hey, I don't mind being punished for speaking out of turn with my Mom. I deserved that. But here I can say what I want and I welcome any and all constructive rebuttals!

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    10. I find it amazing that people try to convince others of politics at all, if I'm honest.

      ~45% of the voting public is conservative, never to change.
      ~45% of the voting public is liberal, never to change.
      ~10% of the voting public is centrist, and they decide elections.

      Yet the former two keep trying to convince the other that they're right, and all it does is cause bullshit arguments which neither side can win.

      Politics, as a topic, is sadly toxic. I say sadly because it's *hugely* important to us, and our day to day lives as citizens, but alas.

      -Kasey

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    11. I like to fight against toxicity in politics by bringing reasoned and rational debate. I do not think the arguments I gave were "bullshit" in the least.

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    12. Oh, no, I was speaking generally, not of you specifically.

      Generally speaking when a rusted on conservative 'debates' with a rusted on liberal, it devolves into pettiness. I was not referring to anything you wrote here.

      -Kasey

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    13. Thank you!
      And I agree with you, generally speaking.
      It's why I dislike the generic slandering thrown around. Be specific, people!

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    14. Your points could all be discussed and dissected in depth, as they have been in thousands of pages of learned writing on the subjects. Comments on a blog are going to be limited to slogans and superficial talking points about very complex issues. Like your first point which, of course says nothing about the disgraceful situation at the border that every American should be ashamed of. I’m not going to try to litigate that here. Your political leanings are noted, and so “good things” to you are seen from that perspective. My Trump name-calling was simply part of a response to similar rhetoric in the comments. I know my characterizations are justified, and I also know it changes no one’s mind.

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    15. My first statement is one of principal. Do you agree with the principal I state? After we achieve that common ground, we can discuss details of how to get it done in the most humane and cost effective way possible, and give this President a "mark" for that relative to his predecessors.

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    16. I’m not for illegal immigration. If you’re saying that Trump is helping legal immigration from south of the boarder, or doing anything substantial to make things better where asylum seekers are coming from, or isn’t trying to sell his schemes with racist lies, or not trying to get Americans to pay for a wall we think is a dumb idea, or that there are excuses for how human beings and their children have been treated at the border, then it sounds like Fox News. Their talent is putting a clean wrapper on a shit sandwich.

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    17. Trump has been clear that he wishes to curb illegal immigration. It seems you support that policy goal. Great! I think a physical barrier as part of that solution makes sense. It makes sense everywhere else! I believe the root cause of the human misery are policies lax on illegal immigration which make it worthwhile to risk everything, which they do. The human misery is not unique to this president. It was rampant at the border under the last as well. Did not Democrats call for a physical barrier as well before Trump? I believe there are many cases where they did.

      And there you go hurling your Fox news insults and your MSNBC/CNN "RACIST! " talking points. Please refrain from calling people and policies you disagree with as racist. It does not advance the argument.

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  16. A litle variation for a next visit...
    You are nose in the corner in the dark. Everyone is chatting in the living room. You seem to find the time quite long. You are once more a mere grown woman. It doesn't amuse you anymore. You decide to stop the game and you are going to knock on the living room door, but the moment you open the door to pass your nose you have the idea of making your return by playing the little girl who asks if her punishment is finished. And there, you understand the mistake you committed when David tells you to stop acting like a child and return to your corner because it's the grown-up Julie who was put in the corner because of her behavior and who will stay there until the leaving. He's not kidding. You return to the corner, baffled. And you hear David's calm and loud voice warning you
    - you just won six of the best when we get home, miss Trumpett! Delrin's ones...

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    1. That's what makes it so bad. It WAS grown up julie being punished!

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    2. Well anyone younger simply wouldn't have had the wherewithal to discuss politics especially international politics and keep track of the candidates in 2 countries elections. Indeed it was most certainly an adult speech in a childish manner delivered by an adult. no question.

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    3. The worst part is I know how much Mom suffers from her TDS and I still poked the bear. I deserved having my nose parked in the corner and my spanking afterwards.

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  17. You deserved it Julie.
    But a spanking is also needed with dad's belt.

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    1. It was a 10% thought in my head that I would be spanked before being taken home. And Dad got a little hot that I had basically called Mom intolerant, so it WAS NOT out of the question, a good bare-bottomed belting from Dad in front of Mom.

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    2. What shape was your bum actually in after the spanking ? Red scale of 1-10? Feel it the next day ?

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    3. I'd give it a 6. Nothing next day. But it hurt at the time.

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  18. Tsk tsk all this right wing nonsense and propaganda. At the next dinner you should certainly go over every family members knee and have the fascist exorcised out of you by a good socialist pussy whipping. Afterwards you’ll be made to say ‘I love sleepy joe’ 1000 times in the corner. Having joined the resistance you’ll understand the meaning of truth over facts young lady. Mr D

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    1. That's the kind of political intercourse I could get into!

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