My sister Sue was out for dinner and drinks with an old friend and her youngish partner (lesbians all - they're gaining ground!). The young woman fairly recently graduated from university with a concentration in "Women and Gender Studies". Sue's friend is also very well educated. The three of them were sitting around and discussing "the patriarchy" (ha ha!). Sue mentioned she knew a person (me, but she did not indicate that at first) who keeps her man "in-line" using "ritualized kink". The younger lady was incredulous and thought it was all bullshit engineered by the guy. Sue told her she should have an open mind, and if she was interested in a demonstration, she was pretty sure it could be arranged (that's my sis!). They indicated some interest in seeing that (more prurient than academic I would imagine). So Sue texts me right then (this was last night)
Sue: hiI was sitting at the tv with david during the text conversation (we were catching up on "So You think You can Dance"). I showed him the text. He was definitely into it and excited by the prospect.
Me: hi
Sue: with two ladies. one's an old friend, other is her partner - gender studies major
Me: nice
Sue: came up in conversation. have not let them know it's you. they'd be interested in a "demonstration" of how you keep hubby in line. game?
Me: hell's yes! trustworthy?I mean, Wow! Manna from heaven. A little bit later Sue is back to me on text.
Sue: yes, and I'll set some ground rules
Me: cool. do I need to be tame, or anything goes?
Sue: i'll find out. hold on...
Sue: anything goes. they watch only. no photos. sworn to secrecy.So guess what? It's on, baby! This Saturday! All three of them will be coming over and I will be putting my husband through his paces in front of them. Oh joy oh bliss!
Me: totally positive trustworthy?
Sure: 100%. Good?
Me: Good! david is nodding yes,yes,yes also!
Sue: great. you staying home this weekend?
Me: yup
Sue: hold on...
Sue: how is sat @4, your place?
Me Works! You're brilliant!
Sue: done! talk tomorrow.
Me:
david asked me what we were going to do. I had already thought about it. I told him that I will make up a little pretext for punishing him, and he'd get a spanking in front of them. Depending on how it goes, there might be more, a lot more, and he should be prepared for anything! He agreed and looked nervous, but happy. I told him it was ok for him to be a bit of a brat during his punishment, and I'd be sure to teach him his place!
I talked to Sue at noon today where I got a bit of the backstory above. The conversation with her friends that started it was around how difficult it was to change male social conditioning, which is where Sue said that was actually easy with the right male, and she knew somebody who knew how to do that.
So what's even sweeter is that I will not even have to make up a pretext for his punishment, but david doesn't yet know what I know, so I'll hit him with a real misdeed instead of a pretext. david recently got a parking ticket that he must have "forgotten" to tell me about (I noticed the fine payment on the credit card transaction history) . Have not confronted him with that yet. Was going to use that for an upcoming scene, and here this thing comes along! Sweet!
I thought I would spank him for the parking ticket; but then, for failing to tell me about it, put him through some refresher "obedience training" (also if he's a bit of a brat during the spanking, which he's expected to be). I'll explain my Gender Studies "theories" to the ladies: that it's too difficult to change men's conditioning, but much easier to have them assume the "traditional patriarchal societal female role" and behave in-line with that social conditioning. I think I need to publish my theories on that!
Unbeknownst to david, if all goes well, I intend to wind it up with him being sent to change into his bra and panties, and coming out for some "feminine obedience training" involving a strap-on dildo in his mouth and then up his well-spanked behind!
I am so excited!!!!
[It happened! See Husband Spanked in front of Feminist Lesbians!]
I am way UP for this!
ReplyDeleteI can well imagine!
DeleteOMG!! You must really lead a charmed life, with an opportunity like this falling in your lap!
ReplyDeleteHow about letting Sue take photos on your phone? I'm sure david would like to pleasure himself with them...and you could share (appropriately cropped and sanitized versions) with us!
Enjoy!!
-T.
If you put out the word and build a network, they shall come. I think a lot of women would feel very empowered (as do I) through asserting dominance over men.
DeleteThe privacy thing goes both ways. It would be uncomfortable.
Then you should wrap it all up with a diaper and cute nightie being sent to bed early while you 4 chat it up after.
ReplyDeleteEmily
Diapers do not fit with my "Gender Studies" theories. Maybe I need some Freudian theories for that?
Deletesissy baby infantalism isn't a gender study topic?
DeleteEmily
I actually would not know!
DeleteOmg Ms Julie, i'm leaking in my chastity cage from reading this post. i cant wait until Your next post
ReplyDeleteThat is very hot.
DeleteWow that sounds like some interesting demonstration. I'm looking forward to reading about it. :)
ReplyDeleteI get up to a LOT of mischief. I am Miss Mischievous!
DeleteJulie,
ReplyDeleteI'm really looking forward to hearing the fulll details of how all this works out.It does fit in with the point I made about the social conditioning of sexuality in your last post.Just wondering how you will fully convince the youngest of the party that David has not somehow 'engineered' the 'ritualised kink', but I'm sure you will find convincing proof.
I have always found the combination of shame at one's secrets being revealed together with a desire to demonstrte's one's training very arousing(Accidental Apprentice and Megan's Law on the oldd www.asstr.org sites are good starting points).
Anyway have a great weekend.
My plan is not to convince her of that, as it was engineered by him originally. My point is to take men with such inclinations, and exploit those inclinations to make better husbands. An incomplete theory to be sure, but hey, making progress!
DeleteAs well, I'm planning on making the spanking short and absolutely brutal. Going for the jaw drop effect! What follows that will be a show of very genuine male submission, guaranteed.
You are obviously going to make a very compelling case that will dispel lingering doubts, though might make others inclined our way less eager(or more , ymmv). Fail to see how you can make David a bettter husband as your mutual dynamism works so well., but a work in progress.
DeleteAfter living downstairs from a butch store detective who would regularly kick her weekend (her or the cops?)entertainment downstairs,I don't find the Lesbian scene any more or less caring than the vanilla persuasion, but will be interested to hear the reactions/interactions of your observers.
I think you miss the point a bit. The reason our relationship is strong is because we practice these things. Imagine if we stopped? A regular dose of deep (and public) submission from him reinforces our dynamic.
DeleteAs to your stopping, perish the thought. My point is only that , thanks to regular doses of deep submission,you have a great relationship,but trying to improve him much more , in feminist rather than your terms , could paradoxically change the creative tension sustaining that dynamic.
DeleteI actually don't try to improve him at all. I think he is great just the way he is. This is all fun and games for us, but fun and games that deepens our intimacy in a dramatic fashion.
DeleteI think we pretty much agree on all this . Kibbitzing on minor points is fun though
DeleteAgreed!
DeleteHoping for some diaper play. That’s always my favorite!
ReplyDeleteNot this time. This is going to include a bit of fem.
DeleteI have been used in front of a few of her friends for her, and their, amusement....
ReplyDeleteThe humiliation increases exponentially as each new woman arrives to watch!!!!
David is a very lucky man!!!!
Love
Kaaren
Yes!
Deletehmm interesting good thin the soon to be put in place with spanking David agree to everything bet he be nervous all day Saturday before 4pm you be smirking whole time lol
ReplyDeleteOh yes, there will be plenty of teasing and anticipation today!
Deletewell young lady I hope you don't over do too much teasing and anticipation might make your self too wet turn on lol
Deletemaybe you can ask the ladies what they plan do to each other or how they feel about spankings etc kinky stuff as well
ReplyDeleteI'm actually looking forward to the Feminist conversation just as much as the other stuff! (Especially given the context)
DeleteI am sure be very interesting convo between you all. let them say feel what want. smile all around except for poor David and his behave butt. spanking all around I would say so no butt is left un spanked
DeleteSure that you already have excellent ideas to demonstrate your theses (and not only philosophically) to these two well educated women.
ReplyDeleteBut you often say that many women together can become cruel, so pay attention to the Erynies and david does not suffer the ultra humiliation of having to use his safe word.
It's pretty unthinkable for david to use his safeword with me, though his testicles were put in danger by one of my guests!
DeleteYour idea of an absolutely brutal spanking at the outset triggers a real storm under my skull. It's so castrating! Such an altering experience ! Such a good idea !
ReplyDeleteDone. It was epic...
DeleteMiss Mischief, Sounds wonderful and exciting!! You are changing the world one woman at a time. Should discuss the use of chastity even though you don't practice it for controlling a man. I'm dreaming of a follow-up session with your sister demonstrating spanking works with females also, and all four of you end up in bed and julie is made to be their slave. Have fun.
ReplyDeleteJohn
We had a great discussion of the merits of chastity cages for misbehaving boys with david in earshot.
DeleteI agree with you Miss Julie, the diaper people can sit this one out. It doesn't fit your scene. However a full sissy schoolgirl outfit would ! Standing in the corner while women's studies content gets discussed openly ;)
ReplyDeleteI kept it at bra and panties, but did insert a toy and make him stand facing the wall as we had that discussion.
DeleteI'm surprised a gender studies major would be so sceptical.You just have to Google 'woman spanks man, or 'female dominance etc and see what comes up and how many times.Perhaps it's because they do not have a male partner of their own and harbor resentment towards men?She certainly will have an eye opener once she sees you in action!
ReplyDeleteThey were not skeptical when I met them. I think I disarmed them by being so honest and open about the situation.
DeleteGiven this conversation is in the context of Feminism and Women/Gender Studies, I can imagine questions/topics like:
ReplyDelete1 - What signs indicate you might have a male open to social reconditioning?
2 - If no signs have been noted, how might you prompt some signs from the male?
3 - If no signs have been noted, even after prompting, how might the female bring up the topic with the male?
4 - Once you have a male open to reconditioning, how do you recommend beginning his behavior modification program? What are your thoughts on having a written contract, spelling out the various rights, responsibilities, possible consequences, and desired behaviors?
5 - What do you recommend to continue/escalate his reconditioning program?
6 - What mixture of positive and negative consequences have you found effective in reconditioning?
7 - What tangible signs have you noted of changed behavior?
8 - How long has it taken you to reach his current level of reconditioning, and what frequency and intensity of consequences were needed?
9 - How would you like to see his behaviors change in the future?
10 - How long do you think it might take you to fully change his behavior to the future state you desire, and how would you envision increasing the frequency and/or intensity of the consequences to achieve this?
11 - How empowered have you felt over time, by having progressively better control over your male?
12 - How have your male's feelings changed over time for having turned over more and more control to you?
13 - What other insights on male behavior modification can you share with us?
Even if these questions do not all come up, perhaps they'd make an interesting blog post!
-T.
The conversation did not really tilt this way. It went all to the dynamics of my relationship with my husband and the benefits that we saw.
DeleteSorry - did not mean to seem dismissive! They are a great set of questions with a lot of thought put into them.
DeleteIf more "for real" rather than "fantasy fulfillment", we need to be sure the context involves a man who is not coerced (physically or emotionally) but who craves this sort of thing. The craving can be turned to improve the dynamic of the relationship.
No apology needed, as I did not interpret your comment as dismissive at all! I am eager to hear how the conversation actually went. Thanks for the comment on my questions - perhaps they could be part of some future blog posts, as I (and maybe others) would be interested in hearing your take on them, or how they played out in your relationship with david.
DeleteBest,
-T.
Will do!
DeletePut him in diapers! They will love it!
ReplyDeleteGoddess Gretchen
No diapers this time, but I will have to engineer a good public diapering scene soon!
DeleteOh, I could do everything to you include some other baby items in this scene, specially a baby bottle!
DeleteOk, later though!
DeleteI may be way too late, and way off base...my concern is that women’s studies major might be offended by using female gender as a humiliation. It might be best to keep him masculine. A strong woman giving him cum-uppance. And keeping his cock limp will be important, I think, so that it’s not perceived (as predicted) to be “engineered by the guy” for his pleasure. Peter Peter.
ReplyDeleteI did read this note just before and was wary, but they were fine with my "theories" on this. I'll go into into more in the post.
DeleteLove it!! Just like a woman to be able to make us better men, using our kinks! Yoga Girl wrote along those lines with semen retention...something I’ve had the incredible eye opening experience of. peter peter
DeleteThat's a great way to put it. using something positive (kinks) to bring about something even more positive (a great relationship dynamic). So often kinks lead to negativity in the relationship, which should never happen! Kinks rule.
DeleteI think the real potential of the scene to be most powerful is convincing the skeptical witness that this is not simply engineered by the husband to satisfy his kink. If I'm david, the impression I want to create is that my wife is truly dominant, and while what we do is consensual, it is HER dominance that dictates the scene. If you pair a dominant female with the right male, he can be obliged to submission. She uses her power to shape him to her satisfaction. He is attracted to and seduced by her, and he is rendered at least somewhat helpless by that. It is a power any skeptic can understand, but what this scene should demonstrate is that the wife is in charge because SHE demands authority in the relationship, and it is HER discipline that her husband must submit to. The ritualized kink is engineered by her, and it is designed to make a better husband for her. What I, the husband, wants is to create the illusion that this scene is not a playing out of my fantasies, that I'm really being punished by my wife. That makes it hot for both of us.
ReplyDeleteI would actually go further. Yes it is his kink and he wants it (and asked for it). But once he handed me the hairbrush, there is a huge element of for-real submission that we in fact used to better our relationship along multiple dimensions. Nothing "contrived" about that, that is for real.
DeleteJulie.
DeleteIt’s the same with my chastity kink. And there is submission that is real. Nobody would be really be happy wearing a chastity device for days or weeks, or being punished, unless it was consensual and carried real excitement or even a real element of worry to make it more intimate and interesting. I always hope in the back of my mind that there are no health issues for me in the future since we’ve been pushing our envelope with longer durations of lockup. But I guess concern is generally is applicable to any intimate play. I think my cage wearing actually has made our relationship better, albeit in a frustrating way. So far, so good.
So true. I think we all enjoy the fantasy of "being forced" and then "made to come around". We sort of act this out. But you have hit the nail on the head, there are real benefits beyond the fantasy.
DeleteI guess it’s happening now— I hope you’ll give the ladies a chance to put him over their laps and discover the joy of spanking a man. If you’ve already belted him good it won’t take much for him to kick and cry.
ReplyDeleteAnd maybe offer to let them strap on his ass after you do ?
That would separate the academics from the real amazons!
I hope there will be a next time. Put him in a couple totally exposed positions after the spanking— against the wall and ass up head down on a footstool, before the next act.
Demonstrate how easily he gets hard.
Thank you!
Tomas
The humiliation was off the charts. The women seemed to very much enjoy their educational outing. Will start in on the blog entry today!
DeleteI find this scenario particularly intriguing. It has long been a fantasy of mine that rises to the top now and then.
ReplyDeleteIn one, I am a manager for a college women's tennis team who soon finds myself washing uniforms including panties, then is dominated by two of the straight girls on the team who then humiliate me in front to the lesbians. (The rather strict humorless lesbian coach allows the straight girls to receive cunnilingus but go no further.)
I another scenario I have hooked up with an old girlfriend Maria. At her apartment, she catches me peeking up the skirts of her roommates Suzanne (big thighs and bottom, denim skirt, black panties) and Julie (big glasses, flouncy short dress with lacy pink panties). To teach me manners and a lesson, they dress me in panties, spank me, then make me serve them. That is so successful, they put me in a Halloween French maid's outfit and take me down the street to a bar frequented by gay women. I am soon put to work as the barmaid, but frequently bent over for ward swats on my frilly panties.
But back to your scenario. Gay women have a huge variety of attitudes about sexuality - diverse as any other group. Sounds like the worst that can happen is the Gender Studies major can be turned off. But your record is near spotless. I cannot wait to hear about it.
David and I are similar in that we may have raised the female dominance issue, but you and my wife Irene have taken it to levels never imagined. (As I write this, I have a hot bottom from Wednesday's switching with supple plum shoots.)
Feel free to break the "no touching" or other rules!
Best,
-Rosco
I think you and David understand each other well! They were delightful and truly received an education about the potential benefits of femdom in a hetero relationship. For real.
DeleteSo the issue is how do you change/socially condition a man? Answer is through his cock. You control his cock you control his mind. Suggest at some point you consider edging him. His will plea and beg while you give him Hobson’s choices and ultimatums. “See ladies, men will do anything to be allowed to cum.”
ReplyDeleteGreat minds think alike.
DeleteHe did undergo "the ultimate humiliation", having to beg for it and be granted permission!
As far as any relationship goes, in particular one which involves a form of domination, I think it's all a matter of concensus. One agrees with the other that certain actions will follow from bad behavior. If it's not in consensus, it's molesting or rape, which is illegal.
ReplyDeleteEven with 'cum-control' it's all in consensus. If the male says, 'hey, I am done with this shitty cum-control', the jig is up.
'I can resist anything, except temptation'.
When it's not tempting anymore, it's gone.
Best wishes and good luck with the spanking.
Marco (from Lindsay).
No question of non-consent. The whole point is that the husband knows what's best for him and his relationship with his Dominant wife, even when he is reluctant or when it is a challenge for him to go through with. Suggest you not get uppity, marco. Us Dommy Ladies get used to this sort of thing. I could not imagine now a relationship where I cannot punish and control at will.
DeleteHello Miss Julie,
DeleteNo, I don't follow. Your 'punishment at will' is only because your husband agrees with it, one way or another. If he would have been forced into it by you, without his consent, you are viable of domestic violence or worse.
Your blog even starts with these words: 'One day my husband came to me and asked to be spanked. I tried it and found I liked it. Now he may be getting more than he bargained for!'.
Now, if this isn't an acknowledgement of consensus, nothing is.
Now, I didn't get uppity in any way, miss Julie, but I'll accept your surrender in this discussion.
No hard feelings, I hope.
Always a gentleman,
Marco (from Lindsay).
The dynamic is called consensual non-consent. It can be confusing to an outsider.
DeleteHello Brett,
DeleteNo, it's not confusing. It's crystal clear that all actions between the 'dominatrix and the slave' are within a strict set of rules. That's consensual. Anyone who fails to see that, does not understand the dynamics of BDSM.
Best wishes,
Marco (from Lindsay).
I'm not sure what I'm surrendering to marco, as I think we agree with one another (and brett also). There are subtle nuances in our use of words where I might emphasize this a bit more, you that, and brett this other thing.
DeleteI think we all recognize that everything is consensual, but not to be understood as a fine-grained "topping from the bottom" form of consent.
The Domme takes charge and pushes boundaries. The sub accepts and trusts and submits, even to things that they might not have explicitly agreed to in advance.
Let's call it a win-win-win between the three of us!
Yes, I'm not sure what the argument is here. "Consensual non-consent" is consensual. :) If people want to express and experience domination and submission, they must dominate and submit. Although the term is used to describe a BDSM chosen lifestyle, it's true in any relationship where one person allows their partner to make decisions for them or call the shots, so to speak. Of course, the submissive partner can opt out at any time, but not if they want to maintain the relationship they desire.
DeleteHello Brett en Miss Julie,
DeleteYes, a 3-win. No problem.
Final word to Brett: the submissive partner get's out of the relationship, BECAUSE the relationship isn't going the way he/she likes.
That counts for any other relationship too, for that matter.
Best wishes,
Marco (from Lindsay).
I always like the final word!
Delete:-)
This sounds great! I'm a bit jealous once again. As you may know from my blog we have a Lesbian couple we are very close with where one partner is VERY interested in "things D/s" and has participated to a small degree with desire to do more.......but in this case the other person, who is a real sweetheart., just doesn't get the whole thing and is very adamant about her partner NOT participating. So in our case, the toast keeps falling butter side down with stuff like this.
ReplyDeleteRosa is still optimistic though and keeps telling me to be patient and that something will eventually happen with these two. Unfortunately patience is not one of my very few virtues. LOL
Can't wait to read how this turns out.
And thanks for the dare and comments. It's fun having a friend and colleague like you in the D/s blogging community!
I hope that it's only a matter of time with your lesbo friends. This couple seemed to enjoy it a lot (though the younger of the pair got into it to a much greater extent).
DeleteThe dare was amazing! I will definitely be featuring it in a post of my own once the dust has settled from this episode.
Fabulous post on so many levels - kinky and F/M relationship. I suppose you’re writing this up as I comment. It would add a lot to get a physical description of the students, as well as how they were dressed. It would say a lot about their expectations coming into this situation.
ReplyDeleteI love - and subscribe to - your theory on female domination, male humiliation, and punishment. Wow, nail hit on the head, at least for me
Can’t wait for the post. TL
Yes, spent a lot of yesterday writing. It's turning into a long post as I am trying to recall and convey as much detail as I can, and a A LOT went on. Wonder if i should break it into multiple posts? What's your feeling on that?
DeleteBut to set the record straight, neither of them are students. The older one is an academic (works at a higher learning school), and the other graduated from a Feminism and Gender Studies program, but is now working.
Speaking of multiple posts. I had the absolute pleasure of thumbing back through some of your finest moments of 2017 Julie. Moments when I was waiting on baited breath, for the next instalment of Tracy and John, Miss Violet and your rosy red bottom on display.
DeleteI think we all need to see your red bum in the corner again. In school attire (your outfit needs some work btw), in drop-seat jammies, bent over ottomans. I had butterflies looking back on that period of time. Imagining what you must have felt in those moments!
You look stunning in the corner young lady ;)
Your “to be continued” posts DESTROY ME!!! But really, in such a good way. It feeds into the tease and denial piece. You are such a talented writer/communicator! Please PLEASE don’t give your story to us in tantalizing pieces, leaving us to salivate for more, checking every 10 minutes for the next instalment, slurping back palmful after palmful of cum!! peter peter
DeleteSorry pp, multiple parts it is...
DeleteI cannot adequately articulate how much I appreciate you, Julie. You have seemingly boundless energy and generosity, sharing about yourself and your adventures. And your wisdom and grace considering and responding to all of our postings!! A true gem. I gather that dollars are not your motivation, nor need, but what else do we have to show you our appreciation? I’m horrendously cautious about any traces of my naughty connection to you...might there be a postal box I could send some cash? Or some easy to follow perfectly secure instructions about another way? I am conscious of the incredible time you spend on this blog...simply would appreciate a way to show my appreciation... peter peter
ReplyDeleteThank you soooo much for the offer, it is really sweet. Your reading my stuff, commenting, and engaging brings me more joy than you can imagine. That is reward enough. Thank YOU!
DeleteWishing you a wonderful weekend adventure. In reading your posts, I am delighted to imagine myself as David some of the time, but also as David when he is spanking you.
ReplyDeleteHave fun
bottoms up
Red
Weekend was A-MAY-ZING!
DeleteThank you Red!
Don't question a woman, Don't think you know a woman, and most of all learn to listen. The woman I married while dating I learned these things from the start. She talked of a family tradition that could continue. Woman are noisy, and it was not soon after we were dating that she found my F/m magazines while "cleaning" my apartment. I learned this when I went for them and there were not where I had hid them. It was a week or so later staying at her home, she owned a nice home. Stepping out of the shower, drying off, went for my underpants, gone, thought I had forgotten to bring them with me. Quickly walked back to the bedroom and she was sitting on a chair, Close the door young man, I looked, the door she said. Soon I was standing before her, covering myself, and she was holding my magazines and a large hairbrush. Family tradition she said with a smile and these are not allowed at all, I said nothing. Well let see how you like a spanking and by the time she finished I was a mess. It was not over, she grabbed my arm and with that damn hairbrush spanked my bare bottom as she took me to the kitchen to face the wall. She called her mother, told her everything, and I looked at her, yes I got another spanking for that. We visited her mother a week later. She quickly asked if I learned anything from her daughter, I looked at her and said yes, she smiled.
ReplyDeleteHa ha! I love a wife and mother-in-law who "punishes" you for your spanking fetish... with a spanking!
DeleteDid Sue participate in spanking David?
ReplyDeleteShe watched, but did not spank as there was already a lot going on! She did however spray him (while naked) with a garden hose!
DeleteSome feminist ladies can be quite rough. As a 20 year old at university my then girlfriend shared a household with 2 very staunch feminist and quite butch looking ladies. The house was a “safe space” and no males were allowed to enter.
ReplyDeleteTheir house, their rules and I never set foot in the place until very late one night when (after much drinking at the pub) my girlfriend snuck me in to the house so we could finally have sex in her bedroom. Wonderful.
However soon after sex I had to urinate and so I went to go to the bathroom down the corridor. I was naked and my cock had yet to deflate very much so I was sporting a strong to semi erection as I crept down the corridor.
Bad luck for me though as one of the feminist housemates caught me in the corridor and chased me down the stairs and out of the house, spanking my ass hard with her slipper while my cock bounced up and down as I ran naked onto the street. That relationship didn’t last.
Mean butch girls.
Ha ha! You're lucky you (and she) did not get worse for violating "house rules"!
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