Wednesday, May 4

Elon Musk Buys Twitter

I am very excited that it looks like Elon Musk and a group of like-minded individuals is on track to buy Twitter and take it private.

I love Twitter. It's not the most popular platform, but there are a lot of important influencers, politicians, and newspeople on it. I often get breaking news on Twitter well before I see it anywhere else. Of course, there's a lot of fake news, bias, and satire on Twitter as well, so you need to follow the links and do more research to understand what's actually going on, but Twitter will often break it first.

Twitter is also great to hear directly from individuals involved in stories. Of course they may be lying to you, but you need to hear both sides of a story, and the individual posting their interpretation of events on Twitter, directly, is a very valuable part of that.

There are also many sub-cultures on Twitter that you can include into your bubble.  There is definitely a spanking twitter, a trad-wife twitter, lots of health twitters, and so on.

Twitter needs an "algorithm" to be at all interesting. If you follow people, and you just get an unfiltered time-ordered feed of what they tweet, it's exceptionally boring. A competing platform had the ability to turn off the algo, and it was horribly boring.

To keep things lively, the Twitter algo cleverly decides what to show you on your timeline. It's impacted by who you follow; tweets you like, respond to, and retweet; tweets that get a lot of likes and replies; tweets by people who you follow, follow; tweets from people opposite of the people you follow. I think it tries really, really hard to give you an interesting timeline.

Hower, the "dark side" of the algo is that it can bias the conversation or favour one political view over another. For example they can look for posts that have right wings things in them like "America" or "MAGA" and lower their reach. Twitter also engages in a practice called "shadowbanning" where a disfavoured user is put on a list, and the reach of their tweets is severely limited. I'm not sure the extent this happens on the left, but it happens a lot on the right.

The trouble is, all of this stuff is kept secret. If you are shadowbanned, you are not told you are shadowbanned (but tech has been written that can analyze these things and give you a strong indication). The workings of the algo are not revealed at all, but can be reverse engineered to a certain extent.

And Twitter employees, as for most Big Tech, are heavily, heavily Democrat, as demonstrated by the ratio of political donations of their employees. Almost 99%.

Imagine you are lonely conservative voice inside of Twitter. You'd be shut down and marginalized so fast. The 99% "groupthink" would dominate, and they would egg each other on to worse and worse excesses. That much one-sided bias is never good.

Of course, Twitter must moderate its content to a certain extent. Various countries have various laws that curtail free speech that must be respected if you wish to operate in those countries. However, Twitter goes well beyond this in their content moderation. They include "hate speech" without a clear definition of what that is. While we can all agree on the more egregious cases, it gets fuzzy around the edges. For example, Twitter declares that any position that does not 100% respect the radical trans agenda is "hate speech".

The content moderation policies now also include "misinformation". Again, on the most egregious cases we can be in agreement. However, Twitter takes controversial topics, such as COVID, war on Ukraine, Hunter Biden's laptop, Jan 6 "insurrection", election rigging (but only the 2020 election, not 2016), and brands the conservative side of these issues as "misinformation". They very much have egg on their faces, however, as many things they branded as misinformation have since been demonstrated to be true (Hunter's laptop and COVID vaccine limitations to name two).

Free speech advocates believe the antidote to bad speech is more speech, not censorship. And again, don't take it to the extreme. If you just get a lefty yelling "Nazi! Nazi! Nazi!", yeah, get rid of them or shadowban them (but let them know and why), or a white supremacist hating on Jews and POC, then the same. I'm not talking about that (but admit that "where's the line" is a tough question: no easy answers).

But Twitter's content moderation policies are horribly opaque. Their guidelines are vague, and when a tweet or user is flagged, there is often no information about which tweet or why a tweet was moderated. There is a very opaque appeals process. And there are lifetime bans of users without appeal.

The most notable banning was President Trump himself, ostensibly for issues surrounding Jan 6 and his statements of the election being rigged. But really, they just wanted to take a political adversary off the field, obviously. They actually lifetime banned the sitting president of the USA, an important political figure with the support of about 50% of the population. If that is not rampant political manipulation at the highest level, I don't know what is. And yet Trump has been charged with no crime, and there has yet to emerge any credible evidence whatosever that he had anything to do with instigating a riot. Yes, he directly and literally called for "peaceful and patriotic protests" to protest the outcome of the election which he believed was rigged. The Democrats did the same in 2016 and perpetrated a related "Russian Collusion Hoax" for years afterwards. If Twitter didn't have double-standards it would have no standards at all. Twitter has also systematically removed prominent conservative America First influencers, often for vague reasons. I do not believe we see this happening to the same extent to the left, but if you know of counter-examples, please share them.

Twitter makes money by occasionally showing you a relevant add in your timeline. Every time its presented to you, the advertiser pays Twitter. Every time you engage with it, the advertiser pays Twitter. Customers can also pay for Twitter to conduct surveys. The amount of revenue is therefore directly impacted by the number of users on the platform and their demographic.

Twitter was co-founded by its first CEO, Jack Dorsey, in 2006.

In 2013 it went public at a valuation of $31B. Here is how it has done since.

The current value of the company is $37.5B. The stock initially dropped from $70/share post-IP down to $20/share in 2017. Since then it has crept back up. At the start of March it had fallen back down to $33/share and was poised to head lower as it was expected its revenues would be lower than already low expectations.

That is when Elon Musk stepped in.

Who is Elon Musk? He was born to a Canadian mother and a South African father and was raised in South Africa. He came from a middle-class well-to-do, but not extremely wealthy family. He went to Stanford but then dropped out to co-found an early web software company called Zip2 with his brother. The company was acquired for $300M in 1999. With that money he co-founded an online bank that later merged with another and formed PayPal which was sold to eBay for $1.5B. He then used that money to found SpaceX and Tesla and subsequently several other innovative companies. He has a history of keeping all his money in the companies he founded, and very nearly lost it all in the early days of SpaceX and Tesla, putting his entire wealth on the line. Elon is now the richest man in the world with an estimated net worth of $250B, mostly tied up in his own companies' stock. Recently he paid the highest tax bill ever paid by any individual in history of $11B. And whever he tries to realize his wealth by selling shares, he'll be paying a lot more.

Elon began silently buying Twitter shares on Jan 31, 2022 and accumulated a 9.1% stake for $2.6B by March 14. He definitely bought the dip!

Elon began hinting publicly at his interest in Twitter in a series of tweets starting March 24th when the stock price was sitting at $39.

On April 4 he announced publicly that he had acquired his 9.1% stake. The stock immediately shot up massively to $51/share. He posted to Twitter:

On April 5 he was invited to join the Board of Directors of Twitter which he initially accepted. However, it soon became clear that the terms of a board seat were overly constraining. He would be capped at 15% ownership, and could not say anything critical of the company.

On April 14 Elon made an offer to acquire Twitter for $43B, or $54.20/share and take the company private. This represented a considerable premium on the current stock price of $45, and an absolutely massive premium over the price before he signaled his interest, or the likely share price would have been once earnings were announced ($30? $20?).

The Board initially tried to block Elon. It appeared as though the blocking was on ideological grounds and just plain old board members and management wanting to keep their high-paying jobs. But eventually the board had to capitulate and endorse his offer.  If they did not, they might be personally liable for the investors they purport to represent losing out on $30/share.

Since then, Elon has brought in some other high net worth individuals friendly to the cause of free speech. The tender offer has not closed yet, and there may still be roadblocks, but we shall see.

Here are some more tweets from Elon, indicative of his plans for the company were he to acquire it. We'll let him speak for himself.

Here we see that Elon is not interested in letting the hateful crazies on either side run rampant:

 Here he speaks of his intent to focus on eliminating bots and on validating humans:

Here is Elon responding to and disagreeing with a prominent conservative voice over the need for anonymity in addition to authentication.

Here is Elon being critical of the opaque content moderation policies currently on Twitter.

Here is Elon tweeting the true meaning of free speech.

And a more extended take on his intentions regaring Twitter

Here he is seen being critical of Twitter's decision to massively ban (in an absolutely unprecedented way) the Hunter Biden laptop story weeks before the election and thus sway the results via media manipulation:

The left reacted a bit "over the top" in their criticisms, as they tend to LOVE the ability to ban opinions they disagree with:

Jack Dorsey and his head of content moderation went on the Joe Rogan podcast a while ago, and it really exposed the blindspot that Twitter has internally around remaining politically neutral. Here is Elon saying he saw that as well.

On a related note, here is Elon acknowledging the lack of balance now.

Here's a bit of an amusing distraction showing his sense of humour, and then an important point about privacy protection from prying government eyes.

 When accused of being a conservative, Elon tweeted this in response.


And then soon after:

I know lefties think that the right have gone further right. I don't know how that view is sustainable. Here is Ben Shapiro addressing that issue very well.

Here is Elon recognizing that there are powerful, powerful interests that wish to control citizen's access to information. Also a signal that he knows the nature of the fight he has taken on.

Pfizer making billions of dollars in profit off its vaccines and hiding the efficacy and adverse effect data (that's just coming out now). The miltiary-industrial complex funding billions of dollars to engage in a proxy war with Russia. Where is all the money going? Arms companies. Even Pope Francis agrees with me on that one:

Pope says NATO may have caused Russia’s invasion of Ukraine

85 comments:

  1. What you say "sounds" reasonable, but there is a giant flaw. For better or worse, people tend to believe what they read. Our education system doesn't teach critical thinking. Most people don't have the time to cross check "facts" that appear on social media. Donald Trump was one of the first politicians to realize that being able to lie without the filter of the editors and publishers of the media could win him a huge following.

    The demographics of his followers reveals that they trend heavily to people who didn't go past high school and live in areas that are traditionally backward in terms of education and social justice.

    I'm not going to dredge up COVID or the US (bear in mind, Julie is Canadian) election. Even if you disagree, the evidence is overwhelming that OUR election was fair and honest. The COVID vaccine is effective to the extent that it seriously slowed the pandemic and when it fails to prevent the disease, it mitigates the severity.

    Twitter and Facebook have huge followings that dwarf the readership of any other media source, left or right wing. They have a responsibility to help keep information as factually accurate as possible. Musk isn't being entirely forthcoming in his "plans" for Twitter. He's not going to open the floodgates to unfiltered "news" from any biased party. Chances are good that things won't change much. I suspect that he plans to make Republican "facts" more available.

    From my perspective, social media has done a lot of harm. It's taken us back to the loudest voice having the most influence.

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    1. I get it. You're clearly not for free speech. You're for speech you agree with and don't mind censoring those that disagree with you. Why else would you oppose the things Elon wishes to do? Your certainty about things you cannot be certain about ("OUR election was fair and honest") is what the left uses to justify censoring other opinions: it doesn't agree with me, it must be fake news.

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    2. More flawed logic. I support free speech. I don't support purposely stating lies as the truth. That's where I draw the line. I spent a decade working for ABC and CBS news. I witnessed some serious stuff. We did our best to report things that *happened* as accurately as we could. If opinions were being expressed, we tried to get both sides to comment.

      The COVID situation is a good case in point. We, in the US, have had over 1 million COVID deaths. It's irresponsible to report it as a bad case of flu. COVID is the deadliest disease in our history. That's a fact. It's a lie to tell people it's a bad cold. I'm vulnerable. It would probably kill me.

      My point is that there can certainly be bias in the news media. But, most responsible journalists do their best to stick to the facts..They have to. Sooner or later they will lose their jobs if they don't.

      I would normally let this sort of conversation die a natural death, but there is a very critical issue here. First, do we believe that Elon Musk should have sole control over such a powerful social media product. Twitter, when a public company, is subject to the pressure of their stockholders to keep their audience. Musk is the 21st century Howard Hughes. I don't want him controlling Twitter.

      I want you to consider what happens when the media gets controlled by a single person. Can you spell P-U-T-I-N?

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    3. First of all, I've never heard anybody claim COVID was "just like the flu". It has been claimed, with good basis, that's it's just like the flu for folks <50 and/or with no co-morbidities. Certainly less than the flu for kids.

      But what if somebody did claim that? Then other people would jump in and say the opposite and back it up with solid facts. The best remedy to bad speech is more speech, not censorship. That's free speech, and, as I said earlier, is something you don't believe in, I get it.

      As to major media sources being controlled by one person, that's been going on since before William Randolph Hearst and is worse than ever now with Big Tech and their left wing bias and censoring of opposing voices. I've never heard Putin call for more transparency as has Musk.

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    4. Here's all the times the previous president claimed COVID19 was just like the flu. https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/10/all-the-times-trump-compared-covid-19-to-the-flu-even-after-he-knew-covid-19-was-far-more-deadly/?sh=19d3bcb8f9d2

      An another source: https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-donald-trump-ap-fact-check-anthony-fauci-flu-fe474f0c15f76adf324791a2cfc1e2bb

      And still more: https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/519767-trump-downplays-coronavirus-by-comparing-it-to-flu/

      The problem with people who cry for more free speech is they want to say whatever it is they want to say, but without any accountability for what they said.

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    5. You should actually read the tweets quoted.

      The first link was paywalled. The second and third refer only to this:

      TRUMP: “Flu season is coming up! Many people every year, sometimes over 100,000, and despite the Vaccine, die from the Flu. Are we going to close down our Country? No, we have learned to live with it, just like we are learning to live with Covid, in most populations far less lethal!!!”

      "In most populations" means exactly what I said above.

      Do you think I'll be intimidated by you posting fake news links and not go and read them?

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    6. I remember when this site was about a Canadian girl who liked to spank her hubby. It's evolved to a right leaning, Trump loving, lie believing, Canadian who thinks she knows everything about American politics. Newsflash. Covid is real. tRump did call it a flu that would magically disappear. It wasn't a Democrat hoax. It was a fair election. Biden won. Fox News isn't real news. Canada is never on the world stage. You are like America's scared little brother standing behind our legs peering around to see danger. Any of your citizens with money spend the winter soaking up our sun and clogging our roads. You love to use America but bad mouth it in the same breath. You are the one who needs a spanking and go make some butter tarts too. 😘

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    7. My comments will be visible after approval. Don't preach about fake news and censorship and then do it yourself if you don't like the responses you provoke.

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    8. Hi AL, approval is necessary because literal spam gets through otherwise. It's either that or restrict so that one cannot post anonymously or put everybody through a challenge. I do also filter out illegal things, and filter out unambiguous pure violent hate. I am not at all against content moderation, I think a certain amount is necessary. I oppose censorship of political opinion under the guise of hate. I think platforms need an "appeal" button where the proposed content and the content moderation decisions are then made public.

      My blog has a mixture of things on it. So far this calendar year my posts have been 86% sexy, 14% political. You're very free to skip the political posts, it's very clear which ones are which from the title/images.

      I am a Canadian, but we are heavily influenced by what goes on in the US, and I have a big reach in the US, so I give my opinion.

      I think the founding of the US was remarkable, and the governing principles are great. I fear those things are eroding towards autocracy, kleptocracy, censorship, communism, as they are in Canada.

      The fact that you are so 100% sure of things one cannot be reasonably 100% sure about is a cognitive dissonance tell. The brainwashing is strong in you!

      And I ALWAYS need a spanking.

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  2. I recently started a new Twitter account because of Elon. I deleted my account and left Twitter three years ago after I was locked out for using an accurate one-word description of Lebron James’ relationship with China. That and I was tired of swimming in the cesspool. I did miss the ability to get instantaneous news about breaking events.

    I post under my real name. I understand the need for some to remain anonymous (Julie ;-)), but most of us should be willing to stand behind our statements and opinions.

    I’m hopeful Twitter will become a true free-speech platform, where everyone has a voice. Exceptions for those threatening or advocating violence. And no, words aren’t violence. - david

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  3. thanks for another unbiased right wing political ad

    your self-righteousness is showing

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    1. Is it? What parts do you disagree with?

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  4. The hardline left losing its' mind over this acquisition is frankly quite telling. They weren't scared of being silenced themselves, rather they were horrified that it may become a bit more difficult to silence political opinions/news they don't like. Musk isn't even really a conservative guy, especially on social issues. But now it seems anyone right of the Politburo is a deranged extremist.

    It's also quite disingenuous for them to claim to be concerned over billionaires controlling public narratives/discourses while taking every word written in the Jeff Bezos-owned Washington Post as gospel truth.

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  5. People are still crying about Hunter Biden’s imaginary laptop? Jesus Christ. Get COVID again.

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    1. Nothing imaginary about it. Very real. Very damning, implicating Joe Biden in influence peddling. Wake up.

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    2. That has to be a troll. If not that, he’s discovered a third movie! - david

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    3. I wouldn't discount the fact that the left lives in such a news bubble that this person genuinely believes that. We all love our bubbles, of course, but the thing about the right is that there is so much leftist media (95%?), it's literally impossible not to hear a leftist viewpoint. However, if you're on the left you have to deliberately seek a true right wing viewpoint (as opposed to the out of context parody of that viewpoint echo-chambered on the left). It may be asking too much of humans to actively seek a viewpoint that causes them mental distress.

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    4. Murdoch is probably the biggest media influence in the US (and the world). Hardly a leftist and definitely has more than 5% of news media in the US...

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    5. Hmmm... NYT, WaPo, AP, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, CBC, ... Are you really trying to argue the media is not left wing biased?

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    6. That's just a laundry list, what about a ranking or actual percentage viewership? It's no way 95% when Fox has the highest viewership in 2022 so far...

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    7. Not talking about viewership. Sure, conservatives will flock to Fox as it's their only option. But because of the sheer number of media outlets on the left, conservatives are inevitably, even accidentally, exposed to the left's viewpoint. But if you're on the left, and have been brainwashed to believe Fox is 99% fake news, and never seek it out, you can go through an entire lifetime and never be exposed to a conservative viewpoint.

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  6. Well reasoned argument.

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    1. Thank you. I don't understand the criticisms of Elon's intentions. Sure, if he doesn't follow through and does something evil in the future, we can criticize, but based on his clear public statements, too soon for that.

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  7. Musk has vowed to make “significant improvements” to the platform, but clues might be found in the billionaire’s self-described status as a “free speech absolutist” who had, prior to his involvement with the company, characterised Twitter as “failing to adhere to free speech principles [which] fundamentally undermines democracy”.

    This belief in absolute freedom of speech hasn’t always been in evidence. In the past Musk has: caused employees of his electric car business Tesla to be fired for reviewing vehicle features on private YouTube channels; sought the firing of a tech blogger by their employer for criticising Tesla; and called up critical journalists to berate them directly while cancelling their order for Tesla vehicles. His alleged habit of firing anyone who disagrees with him is well documented.

    Still, according to lawsuits it’s alleged that Musk’s Tesla has allowed “rampant” racism and sexism to fester “unchecked” in its factories, so perhaps that’s the sort of freedom of speech he means.

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    1. Everything you criticize Musk for above is rampant behaviour from the left. So great that he wants to install systems into Twitter that would prevent that sort of thing, for himself and for others.

      And I would take unproven and anonymous accusations of tolerating racism and sexism with a grain of salt given the willingness of his opponents to make shit up.

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    2. How is Musks behaviour towards his own employees or his attitude towards critical journalist anything to to with "rampant behaviour from the left"

      Read what you wrote as it makes no sense. His bullying of Tesla staff has nothing to do with what he does at Twitter

      No doubt you think it was also the left who made him call a British diver who criticised his cave rescue plans a 'pedo'

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    3. The sort of "cancel culture" type things you claim Elon took part in are typical of the left is all I meant. So if Elon addresses some of these issues by making Twitter more transparent, he helps fix the problem, left,center,right,himself. That's a Good Thing (tm).

      There's a fine line between "driving hard" and "bullying in search of productivity". The guy literally slept on the factory floor for 2 years at Tesla, so I imagine there was tremendous pressure on the employees that some minority would see as bullying. If they were upset, they had the ability to quit.

      Yes, the "pedo" comment was unfortunate and unfounded. It emerged from a heated war of words between the two of them when the cave diver insulted Musk for his impractical idea of a mini-sub.

      Everybody has their flaws, and you don't make an omelette without cracking a few eggs, but the sudden emergence of all this heated criticism of Musk, like yours, just when he announces his intent to stop the powers that be being able to so freely censor speech they do not like is telling.

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  8. I lean left (middle of the road among us California snowflakes), but it drives me crazy when the left stifles free speech. It’s unethical and stupidly counterproductive.

    Hard to know if free speech is worth $B 40 to Musk, or if he’s just having a fun time with his money and power.

    We sorely need a leader who can span our political abyss.

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    1. One cannot know the answer to that, but I think it's good policy to take what people say at face value unless they have a long track record of lying, and then until/unless he is seen to not do what he says. Elon has a pretty consistent track record of doing what he says he'll do and adhering to his principles.

      Given he's worth $250B, $40B (or more like $20B (?), given others are coming in) is a drop in the bucket. I mean, worst comes to worst, if he's left with $1B after all is said and done, he's still luxury private island rich the rest of his days.

      Plus, I actually think it's a savvy investment, and he's hinted at such himself, saying that with some improvements and by advocating more free speech and transparency it should give Twitter a new lease on life and ultimately increase its valuation. So goal alignment there.

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  9. I look forward to Musk's purchase of Twitter being finalized. I'll note that right now, given the current stock price, there is doubt that Musk will actually come up with the cash. If the purchase does go through, I believe that it will be the beginning of the end of Musk's fortune. Twitter has always been, at best, thinly profitable. The idea that Musk is going to "unlock" the value in Twitter is a delusion that is only taken seriously by Musk. Twitter employees are not likely to be followers of the Musk cult and there will be many engineers who leave Twitter. Over time, I expect the company to tank, along with Tesla's stock. All of this will be the ultimate schadenfreude for me.

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    1. Hmmmm.... bet on the world's richest and most innovative man being right... bet on you being right... hmmmm....

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    2. Musk "innovative"? He's as derivative as they come. Unless, of course, you mean wresting control of a company that built shitty, expensive cars and making them shittier, more expensive and more lethal than they were before. I guess that's innovation.

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    3. You're clearly not a serious person. While Elon took on the shell of an existing company, everything done at Tesla subsequently was from scratch under his leadership. And SpaceX, not innovative? Reducing the cost of getting payloads into orbit by a huge factor? Begone, troll.

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    4. Different anon here. Electric cars were the first ones to be developed back in the 19th century. So Tesla isn't really innovative as such. Plus they have terrible build quality. Even their autonomous driving mode - BMW had that before Tesla.

      Spacex - yeah they land boosters. But this isnt the first time reusable space assets have been conceived. NASA did it 40 or 50 years ago. No one remember space shuttles? They used to carry crew and satellites, put satellites into orbit, dock with the ISS, and land back. Way cooler than booster landings. Infact, NASA recovered, the boosters used to launch the shuttle via parachute. Landing the booster back, therefore is like the pencil vs space pen story if you've heard of it (USA spends millions on a pen that writes in space, while the Russians use a pencil).

      Hyperloop - has no one heard of things avoiding traffic by going underground? Aka the subway?

      Elon has created this cult of personality that he is this eccentric billionaire tech genius and has used this to create outlandish bubbles of expectations - landing people on Mars in 5 years, downloading consciousness into a chip etc., While using those expectations to sell his mediocre products and get rich. Also a huge self promoter - like a kid is born and he has to use that to stir up shit to promote himself (with his kids name).

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    5. Forgot to mention in an earlier comment. I am completely uncomfortable with Elon musk owning the biggest social media platform. It is too much power in one persons hands.

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    6. And yet, no other electric car company (or automaker period) had seen success with EVs until Musk, and nobody made reusable rocketry work until Musk, so you have to give him some credit for that.

      I don't much mind who owns the companies as long as they are fair and unbiased. Musk is focussing in things that will guarantee that (such as Algorithmics transparency).

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    7. Yes I give credit to him for making boosters land back or for making electric cars mainstream. But they are not new ideas is my point.

      I dont trust any billionaire 1%er. They are all just as bad as the other.

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    8. 1%'er? Given he's the richest man in the world, that's like, a 0.000000000001%'er :-)

      I don't judge folks by categories, rather by their actions, and so far most of Elon's seem to be positive, especially concerning Twitter transparency, but we shall see.

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    9. The pen vs. pencil story is made up. The US used pencils as well but invented ball pen, as pencil is made of graphite which has great electric conductivity. If you sharpen it in space tiny bits of the graphite tend to float around and can cause short circuit resulting in malfunction or even a fire.

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    10. Thank you for straightening that out!

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  10. For me I draw the line for free speech at - abuse, bullying, threatening, name calling, pushing negative stereotypes based on religion, race, gender etc., racial abuse, violence or advocating for it, terrorism etc., At that point it is no longer speech, just verbal assault.

    Other than that, I agree a lot of Twitter's rules are arbitrary. The other day someone called me a fuckstick because I criticized them for inserting trans women (who dont have a uterus and ovaries), into the abortion debate. I reported them, and they are still not banned. Am sure if I had called them names, I would be banned immediately.

    But after all this nothing much will change. The more right wing voices on twitter, the more it will radicalize the left. It will be fun to watch what happens next.

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    1. I think we likely agree on what constitutes civil and polite speech, but disagree with the remedy.

      If somebody is uncivil to you, you don't have to stay there and take it. Use your Mute button. By reporting him and trying to ban him, you are essentially saying he has no right to speak, or listen, period. I find that draconian.

      As well, I have been accused many times of being "hateful", for saying, e.g., that I don't believe, according to the data, that police are racist in their use of fatal force. My point is not whether you agree or disagree, but if you think that POV is "hateful", you will use that to censor me, not just from you, but from all. Likewise if I say that I think in many cases trans people are unwell mentally and should be treated for gender disphoria with an ideal outcome that they become mentally healthy and accept their biological sex. And if you happen to agree that my argument does not fall into "hate speech", I can point you to comments on previous blogs where dozens would say it does, and then would seek to prevent you and I from having any discussion at all.

      It comes down to who defines "verbal assault".

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    2. I dont think anyone has to define verbal assault. I think there are objective measures that make verbal assault distinct.

      It isn't simply "uncivil" to racially harass or negatively stereotype someone, or bully etc., When someone is uncivil to me, I dont have to mute him. What I need is recourse. Its the same in RL. If someone abuses you racially for example, you need to be able to have legal recourse. The question is whose freedom are you advocating for? My freedom to live with dignity or someone else's freedom to humiliate, harass and abuse me under the GUISE of free speech? So when that person gets banned or taken to a court for hate speech, it is not a draconian violation of someone's right to free speech. They are just consequences.

      So a couple of examples:

      - The examples you posted - Yes those views are highly disagreeable to me, but I dont consider them to be hate speech. However, I will judge your intent, and the kind of person you are. Usually people will be pissed off because of that judgement of your intent, and their perception of who you are as a person, not so much about what you actually said (rather about what it implies). And I agree you should not be banned for saying those things and I agree Twitter currently will likely ban you for it.

      Calling someone the n word - Verbal Assault. Direct racial abuse.
      Saying stuff like Asians stink, muslims are terrorists etc - verbal assault/pushing negative stereotypes. These are not opinions, or things you can have a conversation on. These are designed to malign, humiliate, harass and bully.


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    3. In your very own response you agree that there are many who would silence me completely for what they consider "verbal assault". Why should your sense of what verbal assault is trump theirs?

      And then you go on to say that you mind reading my intent, rather than taking my words at face value, should somehow weigh into the decision.

      We both agree on the easy cases, I'm not talking about those. I'm super concerned about the not so easy cases, where people's opinions differ.

      We have a long history of 1A and cases that define free speech. I say use that as the definition and have a good mute button to reflect your personal tastes. In the future you may even be able to choose an open source algorithm that does not show you tweets you consider verbal violence. More power to you.

      But this authoritarian crap of you determining according to your own arbitrary standards what I can say or not say to others is nonsense.

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    4. It is not arbitrary. Yes people will always judge intent when you say something. But that aside, there are objective standards that define what is verbal assault and what isn't.

      Simply put, if you wouldn't say something to someone's face because you think it will lead to a nasty/angry confrontation, then do not say it online. That right there is your definition of verbal assault.

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    5. That comment is idiotic is just an opinion ,albeit a rude unproductive one. "You're an idiot" however is abuse as it is directed at a specific individual. Same with mentioning a person and misgendering them.

      Would you walk up to Lia Thomas and say "You are a dude"? Would you tell someone "You're an idiot", unless you are disrespected or abused? Am sure you wouldn't. So dont say it online (unless it is in retaliation of course. If in retaliation you are absolved, the person who used it first is the abuser).

      People will say anything online these days as it is easy to hide behind usernames and computer screens. This never used to be a problem even 15 years ago, when we had to say things face to face for the most part.

      Thereore arbitrary at all. Just common sense.

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    6. I think I would say that to Lia Thomas, yes, or something along those lines, that for all athletic intents and purposes she's essentially a man. She's cheating in my opinion.

      And i think many take "that tweet is idiotic" as a personal insult, so why shouldn't that sort of speech be banned as well? I means it's offensive to me. It does "violence" to me in the sense you suggest. Ban it all!

      We agree on what is rude and what is polite. I will never agree that the remedy is to remove a perceived offender's voice completely off the platform for a violation. That's a ridiculous idea.

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    7. Yes so you would put it in a nuanced and tactful way. So on social media you could say the same thing you just said, instead of saying "You're a dude".

      Similarly, you wouldn't tell someone in an actual conversation that they were being idiotic. Instead you would put it in a more tactful way. Do the same on social media.

      In cases of abuse, it is not just rude. It is not a voice or an opinion. It is assault or harassment. Hence should be subject to consequences the same way you'd face consequences in real life.

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    8. In real life the consequences of me being rude to somebody is that person will not want to be around me. That is the mute and block function, not the "REEEEEEE! Ban her from the platform for life!" button.

      And you have no answer for who decides corner cases.

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    9. I am not talking about corner cases at all. Those cases will be judged by the content moderation team one way or another. Like for example the person who I reported, who called me a fuckstick, wasn't banned, because the rest of her tweet did make a point (her point). So maybe they decided to excuse fuckstick. lol. I can live with that. I am talking about outright abuse, humiliation and harassment. What am saying is pretty mainstream and not nit picky at all.

      By the way in real life the consequences of you being rude or abusive to someone may have more serious consequences as well in addition to a public, abusive, shouting match.

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    10. In real life you will get thrown out of establishments. Its the equivalent of banning.

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    11. 1. There are always going to be corner cases, and then if you have a biased human deciding, you're already lost. The fact you don't see this means you're missing the whole point of this conversation: "I don't see the problem. It's entirely cut and dry in my mind, you all know without me defining, right?"

      It sounds like you're advocating for violence in response to speech???

      If a private business, they have the right to ask you to leave of course. The point of 1A is you can't get thrown out of "the establishment" (the govt may not infringe) of the US public square. The argument is that social media has become the public square, and they are granted special dispensations (Section 230) because of that.

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    12. Yes there are going to be corner cases and yes not all decisions will be fair. Do you think there is not going to be any content moderation at all on Twitter even after Elon takes over? Content moderation will always be needed, and corner cases will always exist. Not all decisions will be fair.

      I am not advocating for violence, but motherfuckers think they wont get punched in the face these days. All this goody two shoes violence is never the answer doesn't really exist out there. You sound like a person who doesn't actually trash talk, which I guess is good. But yes, you talk too much out there in RL, things will get hostile, which includes physical violence. And you know this. So if you wouldn't make things hostile in RL, just do the same on social media.

      I dont agree that social media is a public square. That isnt objectively true. Its private establishment. They provide a platform they paid for, where you get to voice your opinions per their rules.

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    13. As I've stated numerous times, there does need to be content moderation, but it needs to be above board, transparent, a public appeals process, and politically neutral which it certainly is not now.

      In fact, social media benefits from section 230 to guard them against being sued for opinions expressed on the platform, but that protection only exists if they do not function as editors, something they are now clearly offside on by "moderating" conservative viewpoints (such as Hunter Biden laptops story).

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  11. Twitter is going to fade away like Facebook. No one under 30 is using it tbh.

    So this just doesn’t matter except for old people.

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    1. Young people grow up over time. I know I did. And then they will be more interested in ideas than in Instas and find their way to Twitter.

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    2. Big fan and you are an excellent debater!

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    3. I think twitter will indeed fade away. I think we will have different platforms in the future. Which is something I highly encourage. No single platform should hold all power.

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    4. I am 40, I still dont have a twitter account haha.

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    5. 1. Thanks!

      2. I'm not so sure. There are network effects at play. People want to engage with and try to convince people with opposing views, and that's where the value of Twitter lies.

      3. Good time to sign up. You'll enjoy it!

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    6. I dont think anyone is looking to convince anyone with opposing views. Infact no one wants to be convinced, thats the reality.

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    7. Speak for yourself, I'm always looking for other points of views.

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    8. That is quite rare on social media these days. I feel like people are either seeking validation or seeking to gang up on someone for saying something they dont agree with.

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    9. ha! what a joke. you are more buried in your opinions than anyone that I have ever met

      there's a word for people like you: insufferable

      god bless your husband for having to be with you. He is the most true submissive I could ever imagine

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    10. 1. I'm not sure it's that rare, certainly we see examples of people behaving poorly as you describe, but also plenty of truth seekers.

      2. My opinions are informed by my research, so I become quite confident in them as a result, but am always willing to change them up with new info or a convincing logical argument. Many critics, such as you, seem incapable of addressing an issue logically and arguing back convincingly. You perceive that as my being closed minded. I perceive that as you bringing nothing new to the discussion beyond REEEEE.

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    11. To the last but one anon, yes, she is a very sheltered, privileged white girl who grew up as such. So she parrots what she reads on the internet as "research". But oh well, her blog, her opinions.

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    12. You don't know a thing about me.

      I notice you don't sign your name and you don't actually offer any constructive viewpoints or arguments. Begone, troll.

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    13. I'm the OG anon and I don't agree with the people trying to hate on you.

      I still think that Twitter is DOA. It is unmonetizable at scale because young people drives sales and young people think twitter is cringe. Elon Musk is also cringe.

      Maybe old people have enough clout to make Musk's takeover pay, but I doubt it.

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  12. And in their seventies ,they might get round to reading original thinking. That's if there any affordable books left.

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    1. Books are so time consuming! But I do try...

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    2. Butt definitely worthwhile.I might say the same about your excellent blog, having read it avidly throughout its twists and turns.

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    3. Freudian slip? "Butt" is DEFINITELY worthwhile 😊

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  13. Enough free speech. How about freedom for my butthole?

    Do you think I should get a laser hair removal done down there - pubes and butt? Is it weird for a guy to get that done?

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    1. Not weird for a gay guy, they do it all the time.
      For a straight dude, yeah, I guess, I mean you're going to get laughed at by women, but isn't that your goal? :-)

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    2. Hmpf. I wanted to make rimming easy for the women I sit on. So you saying, straight guy, no go?

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    3. Just teasing. Laser away!

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  14. Thierry Breton, the European commissioner, says he had a telephone conversation (sic!) with Elon Musc who reassured him of his intention to respect the law.
    "Whether it's cars or digital platforms, any company operating in Europe must comply with our rules. And this, regardless of the ownership. Mr. Musk (...) knows the rules when it comes to automotive and will quickly adapt to #DSA”
    As you say, didn't Musk write on twitter:
    "By “free speech”, I simply mean that which matches the law" (...)

    For us Europeans, time will tell.

    However, something else bothers me more.
    Reading your "political" posts, you seem gifted with a quick and well-researched intelligence as well as a certain audacity in concepts. Isn't it likely to be difficult for you, while remaining fascinating, to put yourself in the shoes of this stubborn young man that the young book-David must be?

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    1. Yes, if social media platforms respected speech laws, and do not go "far beyond" (Elon's words), that would be a good thing. The problem then moves to ensuring the government does not pass bad laws, which hopefully can be somewhat democratic. If the laws are overly heinous (e.g. China) the platforms maybe should decide not to operate there.

      No, I have no problem getting into my character, even if he is a boy. He's a spanko first, and is quite wide eyed and innocent and submissive to his aunties. He does have a little problem concerning male homophobia, but he will be "re-educated" :-)

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    2. I dont know how Elon will implement these different speech laws in different countries. Things that are legal in the US may not be so elsewhere. Not sure how people from different countries have conversations.

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    3. People have to validate with a cell number associated with a country, they say what country they are in when they sign up, and they have an IP address which gives their country, so the app can be written to not show you stuff that would be illegal in your country (eg, Holocaust conversations in Germany).

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  15. Julie, you rock your comments are well thought out without resorting to name calling. Your patience and tolerance of others opinions is exceptional. You are living the dream and David is one lucky man!! Btw your have the most amazing ass. I loved your stories about send your email friends on shopping trips hmmm.

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    1. You should post more photos of your ass. I especially enjoyed looking at your cute butthole. I would love to taste it.

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  16. This aged like milk.

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    1. The post and all the points I make remain valid. Musk claims Twitter cannot back up their key claim that only 5% of users are bots and is using that as an excuse to back out. Given Twitter is now trading at $38 as opposed to the $56 Elon is paying, he has another big reason to back out as well. Even if he has to pay the $1B pullout penalty he's still ahead of the game.

      Hopefully there's a round 2, else Twitter will likely wither and die.

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