There has been a lot of saber-rattling going on lately about potential war in the Ukraine. I confess to not understanding that much about the situation, so decided to do some studying up and write a blog about what I found out. Any corrections and your own takes are more than welcome.
Historically, Russia emerged as a great empire over the 400 years from 1500-1900. It originally took some of the territories now considered part of Ukraine in 1667, and the remainder between 1770-1795 under Catherine the Great and her Minister Potemkin. So the Ukraine had been a part of Russia for a very long time (as long as the USA existed). Taking it away from Russia is like ceding California to Mexico.
Ukraine and environs was important as it provided access to the Black Sea, which importantly did not freeze over in winter unlike Russia's Northern sea access. This allowed Russia to have a year round navy and connect to trade routes through the Mediterranean. Russia's most important sea port is Sevastopol in the Crimea, until 2014 nominally a part of the Ukraine (but really controlled by Russia).
Russia had to defend the Crimea vigorously during the Crimean War 1853-1856 when France, Austria, and England beat back Russia's attempts to expand into territories occupied by the fading Turkish Ottoman Empire. That war ended with the Crimea ceded back to Russia and Russian ceding its territorial advances in the Ottoman Empire. There is a 0% chance that Russia will ever give up its control and access to Sevastopol without a terrific fight, it's that strategic to them
Revolution and civil war rocked Russia between 1905-1923, ending with Lenin winning and establishing the Soviet Union. Ukraine emerged during this time as an independent state, and became one of the founding states of the Soviet Union. Ukraine grew during WWII when Russia annexed the Ukrainian half of Poland to the Ukraine (as did Germany annex the other half).
Ukraine suffered horribly during the Russian Civil war, during WWII, and after WWII under Stalin, with brutal mass starvations, genocides, and ethnic cleansing taking place under the Soviets in order to solidify complete control and crush any hopes of independence for the Ukrainians from the abusive Soviet Union.
After Stalin died in 1953, Ukraine under Kruschev became an almost equal and important partner to Russia within the Soviet Union. The Crimea was even ceded to Ukraine by Kruschev as a show of good will, because Russian and Ukraine were very much seen as equal partners in the Soviet Union. Soviet Ukraine became a European leader in industrial production, and central to the Soviet arms industry and high-tech research. Many Soviet leaders came from Ukraine, including Brezhnev who ousted Khrushchev and became the Soviet leader from 1964 to 1982. However, the people of Ukraine maintained their own cultural identity and for the most part intensely disliked their Soviet overlords.
With the Soviet Union failing, Ukraine officially declared itself an independent state in August, 1991, when Ukraine proclaimed it would no longer follow the laws of the USSR, and only follow the laws of the Ukrainian SSR, de facto declaring Ukraine's independence from the Soviet Union. On December 1, Ukrainian voters approved a referendum formalizing independence from the Soviet Union. Over 90% of Ukrainian citizens voted for independence, with majorities in every region, including 56% in Crimea, which had a 75% ethnic Russian population. The Soviet Union formally ceased to exist on December 26, when the presidents of Ukraine, Belarus and Russia (the founding members of the USSR) met to formally dissolve the Union in accordance with the Soviet Constitution.
The leaders of the Ukraine tried to keep a foot in both doors, one with Russia and one with the European Union and NATO, but for the most part remained more friendly with Russia. Ukraine is in fact divided between an ethnic Ukrainian-speaking part in the west that is more pro EU, and an ethnic Russian-speaking part in the east that is more pro Russia. Voting within Ukraine breaks down along those lines.
In 1994, Ukraine along with Belarus and Kazakhstan gave up their stockpiles of nuclear weapons left over from the Soviet Union after signing the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances with Russia, the UK, the US, France, and China, which "guaranteed" their territorial integrity and political independence. However, the agreement had no teeth behind it, committing no country to go to war if those countries were attacked with conventional weapons.
In the year 2000, Ukrainian President, Leonid Kuchma
was involved in the so-called "Cassette Scandal" when a recording came out of him engaging in many wrongdoings including the kidnapping of a journalist critical of him. One of the items was selling advanced weapon systems to Iraq's Saddam Hussein. The FBI validated the recording as legitimate, however, even at the time there was widespread doubt as to its legitimacy. And in light of the made-up "weapons of mass destruction", and revelations as to what chicanery the FBI can get itself up to (e.g., Russiagate), who knows? At any rate, the Ukranian people and the West turned against Kuchma (including major economic sanctions), but Putin supported him, which caused an unpopular re-alignment of Russia and the Ukraine.
In 2004, Kuchma announced that he would not run for re-election. The two major candidates for President who emerged were Viktor Yanukovych,
the Prime Minister, supported by Kuchma and by the Russian Federation; and Viktor Yushchenko
of the Orange Party who called for Ukraine to turn its attention westward and eventually join the EU (but, wisely, not NATO).
In the runoff election, Yanukovych officially won by a narrow margin, but Yushchenko and his supporters cried foul, alleging that vote rigging and intimidation cost him many votes, especially in eastern Ukraine. A political crisis erupted after the opposition started massive street protests and the Supreme Court of Ukraine ordered the election results null and void. A second runoff declared Yushchenko the winner, however, as part of a coalition in parliament, Yanukovych was again made Prime Mininster.
In 2007, Yuschenko dissolved the parliament because members of his own party were crossing the floor and threatening his grip on power. When the court declared this unconstitutional, he dismissed three of the opposing judges under the pretense of corruption. This, and an ever-worsening economic situation due to energy disputes with Russia, made him deeply unpopular with the public.
In the election of 2010, Yushchenko and his fellow Orange Party member and former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko had completely fallen out with one another and went up against each other in the election.
Yushchenko and Yulia Tymoshenko (hot!) |
Tymoshenko was very pro-EU and pro-NATO. She got into politics in 1996 and became an important player. She was accused by then President Kuchma of fabricated corruption charges and jailed. Later on, all charges were retroactively dismissed.
Her entry in 2010 made it a three-way Presidential race with the pro-Russian candidate Yanukovych. Despite the fact that Tymoshenko was way more popular than Yushchenko, Yushchenko refused to throw his support to her even when it was clear he was going to lose badly. As it turned out, in the first vote Yanukovych received 48% of the vote, Tymoshenko 45%, and Yushchenko less than 6%. Had Yushchenko dropped out and thrown his support to her, she would have beat Yanukovych on the first round. As it was, because no candidate reached >50%, there was a runoff, which Yanukovych won (many of the Orange Party supporters stayed home due to the rancor within the party).
You can see how divided the country is from this map of 2010 presidential election results.
The Donbas region (where all the current separatist action is taking place) voted 95% for the pro-Russian candidate (the two darkest regions on the far right). And in the Crimea it was 82% (the dark region on the bottom).
In 2011 Yanukovych had Yulia arrested on fabricated (according to the EU) corruption charges.
in 2013 Yanukovych refused to sign an EU-coalition agreement negotiated by Parliament and instead sought closer ties to Russia. This created mass protests in the street, demanding that he step down and that Yulia be freed. In 2014 Parliament turned against Yanukovych and voted to remove him from power, and to free Yulia from prison. The same day a Yanukovych supporter resigned as speaker of the Parliament, and was replaced by Tymoshenko loyalist Oleksandr Turchynov, who was subsequently installed as interim President. Yulia was freed and all charges against her completely voided. Yanukovych fled Kyev to Russia where Russia maintains that his ouster constituted an illegal "coup". The anti-Russian parliament then voted to repeal minority language laws, enraging the heavily pro-Russian eastern part of Ukraine.
With Putin seeing that control of the Ukraine was slipping out of his grasp, he annexed the Crimea in February of 2014 in a bloodless coup (Russia was always there in force). As I said above, there was no way Russia was going to lose control of their most strategic naval base in Sevastopol. At the time, Obama was the President of the US, and he mostly just let it go (what else was he going to do? It's NOT at all strategic to the US).
Perhaps to take focus off of the Crimea, right afterwards Putin strongly supported pro-Russian separatists (likely more than "supported" - more like instigated) in the Donbas, an Easterly region of Ukraine nearest Russia and with a majority ethnically Russian-speaking population.
In the 2014 election Tymoshenko ran against Ukranian oligarch Petro Poroshenko, owner of, amongst other things, the Roshen Chocolate Company, hence the "Chocolate King".
I guess everybody loves chocolate, because he trounced 2nd place Tymoshenko as an independent, with 55% of the vote against her 13%. Poroshenko was seen as taking a hard line against the insurrectionists in the Donbas and taking a hard line against Russia and being competent to manage the situation.
In 2019, Proshenko was defeated by newcomer Volodymir Zelensky, a populist candidate who was an actor and a comedian (he played a schoolteacher who became President of Ukraine and tirelessly fought corruption - sort of like a Ukrainian "West Wing"), with a stunning 73% of the vote. Looks like a bit of a CIA psyop!
A newly formed party supporting him also took a clear majority in Parliament, and for the first time in a long time no coalition was required. Zelensky ran on a populist , "drain the swamp" sort of platform, and is also pro-EU, pro-NATO, and pro-US. He is moving strongly and quickly towards membership in the EU and joining NATO, which of course has Russia and Putin freaked the fuck out and is the proximate cause of the current Russian saber-rattling.
War with Russia can be avoided by ratifying their ownership of the Crimea, by promising not to take Ukraine and the nearby countries bordering Russia into NATO, and by guaranteeing Russian-speaking minority rights. Yeah, hate to be pro-Putin on this, but I would advocate for that over war.
The alternative is to take them into NATO, and then there is the requirement to defend it when it's not at all of any strategic importance to the West, but is of massive strategic importance to Russia. Russia has lots of nukes, a giant army, supplies natural gas to most of Europe, and almost half of Ukraine is pretty pro-Russian already. Plus, the West needs Russia cooperation in Iran and Syria, and an ally against China. Extremely unwise to tangle with Russia over Ukraine. And not least because the ultimate loser would be the Ukraine itself.
Here is distinguished University of Chicago Prof. John Mearsheimer on Ukraine who helped me form my views and agrees on the above.
Mind you with the Democrats so down in the polls, and the Military-Industrial complex itching for a conflict so they can make and sell weapons, I am concerned that the US will encourage a hot conflict.
Having read all this, what are your thoughts? And, if you know the situation better than I could find out in my research, please let us know your thoughts.
I was deployed to Ukraine with NATO. We were there to help train the Ukrainian army. Ukraine has been bullied for centuries by Russia. (Don't forget the millions of Ukrainians who were intentionally starved to death by Stalin.) The Ukrainians I met were proud of their country, as they should be, and deeply resented Russia's annexing of Crimea and the secessionist war it fomented in the Donbas region. The Russian military is going to get an unpleasantly bloody surprise if it invades Ukraine. The Ukrainian armed forces are no longer the push overs they once were. I hope NATO sends all the war materiel Ukraine requests. Putin is a mad man.
ReplyDeleteYes, I agree on how badly the Ukrainians were treated and mentioned it explicitly in my post. But no way Russia can afford to hand Crimea over (it never really belonged to Ukraine in any practical sense to begin with, it was always "leased" by Russia). But you can't deny the deep divisions in the country between Ukrainian and Russian speakers. War with Russia is not the answer, nor is Ukraine joining NATO the answer. Need the middle ground of a neutral Ukraine. Putin was not the aggressor here. He moved only after the West moved on Ukraine to bring it into EU and NATO. The West foolishly backed Putin into a corner. Yeah, he's an evil dictator, but he's not a mad man.
DeleteUkraine reached out to NATO, as did the Baltic States and countries that were once part of the Warsaw Pact and are now part of NATO. Russia brought this situation on itself, through its aggression. (Let's not forget how the Soviet Union invaded Hungary and Czechoslovakia, when they threatened to become democracies.) These countries fear they will again be absorbed by their bully of a neighbor to the east. Russia doesn't want a neutral Ukraine. It wants a Ukraine as a vassal state. Putin wants to recreate the Soviet Union.
DeleteSure they reached out, but the answer should have been a firm no for the sake of stability and for the sake of Ukraine. Russia is no longer any danger of being expansionist, despite any political rhetoric from Putin at home. Aggressive acts by the West forced Russia's hand. They were not aggressive before this in the Ukraine. Listen to Mearsheimer on this point, he makes sense.
DeleteRussia can't afford to let the West and NATO at its door step.
ReplyDeleteI think they have no option but to fight back via a proactive attack and they need to do it ASAP during winter when Europe is in bad need for their gas supplies so that they won't rush into tough economic penalties against Russia.
Yeah, it's going to be tense.
DeleteWow. A spanking blogger with brains. Didn't know much of any of that. All I heard was Putin was attacking Ukraine for no reason. This makes sense. And what a wacky place is the Ukraine.
ReplyDeleteThanks! And yeah, those politics in Ukraine are wacky. I'm sure both the CIA and the KGB are in there whipping up trouble and trying to topple things their own way. Hacking, misinformation, stolen elections, frame up jobs. Almost as bad as in the US!
DeleteInteresting comparison. We're all brainwashed over here that nothing like that can possibly happen to OUR elections, yet here's a major country where it's obviously and routinely going on. I'm sure elements of their big media companies are calling any questioning of results "The Big Lie" also.
DeleteGood point. Whether or not you believe there was sufficient fraud in the 2020 election to change the outcome, seeing all the Democrats, establishment politicians, and mainstream media all coordinating on the phrase "The Big Lie" and the idiotic talking point "the court's have said it was the fairest election ever" (when courts never even took up a single case) is such obvious and blatant propaganda manipulation that you have to be deaf, dumb, and blind to not realize it.
DeleteGreat Julie, as a reward you must get a dispensation from punishment spanking for a week.
ReplyDeleteDo whatever you like girl
Yay!
DeleteDamn, you are a quick study. I think Russia will invade within the next two weeks, so victory can be claimed before Defender of the Fatherland Day on Feb 23.
ReplyDeleteMore likely because it's winter and the EU (and especially Germany) depends on Russia's natural gas (because of their own foolishness).
DeleteMy only thought is we better stay out of it, knowing we are already providing but we need not provide men and women just to die in another country. Jack
ReplyDeleteThe West has no business being involved in any way. Zero strategic importance.
DeleteNailed it, but tell the fools in Washington, their making money. Jack
DeleteYup
DeleteThanks Julie.
ReplyDeleteAlthough it is a shame that we can get a great summary like this from you but not the mainstream media on this important issue.
Yulia is indeed very hot and would be even hotter with a hairbrush in her hand I expect!
I kept wanting to throw in prison strip search or strap references as a joke but thought it would be inappropriate.
DeleteI think giving California to Mexico is a great idea. I doubt Mexico would take it, though. Does Yulia have a blog? She looks very “Strict”!
ReplyDeleteSeriously, there is no good reason for the U.S. to get involved in this conflict and spend blood and treasure after we just got out of our longest war which gained us nothing. So, of course we will definitely get involved!
The people are done with Covid, so the failed Biden administration desperately needs a distraction to try to revive the corpse of this failed presidency before the midterms. I do not like where I think this is headed. But I bet China does.
-david
Thank you, Julie, for helping this boomer post on your blog. You are absolutely right, tho. I should NOT be giving you assignments! If this post goes through, maybe I found a solution. david
DeletePerhaps you did! I knew you could do it. I know your brain is not tiny... unlike some other parts of you... tee hee.
DeleteThanks for the compliment! But now I’m wondering how many readers you have who now know about my embarrassing little secret! - david
DeleteGermany who was among the first countries to support the Maidan protests is disapproved a few days ago the sending of sophisticated armament to Ukraine.Yesterday the Netherlands and Spain are sending fighter planes to Bulgaria, France pledged sending troops to Romania. The US is readying 8 thousand men...Putin must have smiled for Germany's cold feet, which is easy to understand with North Stream II for increasing the delivery of gaz, but he must have been surprised by the responses of other European countries, the more so because of the weak EU defense policy.A likely scenario could be a fake border accident which have the Donbass pro Russia separatists attempting to retake Sloviansk and Mariupol but the Ukrainian military is no longer the weakling it used to be and might do more than resist and move onto Donetsk... Or it could be another fake border accident which would be made to look like Ukranian's forces attempting to retake Donetsk... In both case the Donbass authorities officially call Russia to help out...Russia would then officially enter the Donbass and unilaterally declare it independent from Ukraine. Same scenario as Crimea...
ReplyDeleteA little different than Crimea as Russia was already effectively occupying it, it's highly defensible, highly strategic to Russia, and no fighting was involved. I don't think Putin actually wants the Donbas, it's more trouble than it's worth to him, but he can cease hostilities as a bargaining chip for keeping NATO out of Ukraine.
DeleteOr, worst case for Putin, an independent, separatist, pro-Russian Donbas as a buffer zone to NATO troops in Ukraine?
DeleteJulie,
ReplyDeleteI'll have to comment on the political aspect of your post later because you got me going with that comment about Yulia. With that beautiful hairdo and the folded arms, I'm imagining an OTK spanking with the hairbrush!
Yulia to a big group of Ukrainian oligarchs and politicians: "I know you want you fancy houses, your fancy cars, your fancy food and drink, your fancy girls, and you can have all of those things IF you behave, follow the rules, do what I say, and promote peace and prosperity for all. In the meantime, line up for your spankings!"
DeleteRussia won't actually invade the Donbass, there's no need for that, its special forces are already there. The Donbass is already a buffer zone, but an accident would have Russia help it claim independence or de facto independence acknowledged by Nato. Ukraine would be caught between Crimea and Donbass.Not to forget that Nato hasn't invited Ukraine...Not to forget that during the Maidan affair the EU didn't invite Ukraine.Those European planes and ships aren't sent to Ukraine, but to Bulgaria and the troops pledged by France would be sent to Romania.
ReplyDeletePutin would look good to be the one bringing the peace with stopping a border accident between Ukraine and the Donbass separatists who will try to take Sloviansk and Mariupol...
Yes, IF he can get assurances of Ukraine not joining NATO, as that movement is accelerating and is what has him freaked out.
DeleteOne of the biggest errors we made (the US) was to allow the USSR to collapse. The baltic states have always been unstable. At least under the Soviet Union we had an "enemy" with as much to lose as us.
ReplyDeleteThe Ukraine is strategic to NATO only in the sense that if it allows the Ukraine to join, there is another geographic buffer between Russia and Europe. I agree that the US has no real interests to defend there.
If we allow Putin to annex the Ukraine without any action on our part (NATO), we are fueling Putin's appetite for gobbling up territory. A stable global map is in all of our interest.
Europe has a lot to lose if NATO reacts. Its natural gas comes from Russia. The US is also affected by a cut off of Russian oil. The halt of the Canada/US pipeline will hurt us in the event of war with Russia.
In short, the Ukraine becomes strategic to the West if Putin tries to capture it. At that point our options are all negative. We (the US) have a lot to lose if we have to spend billions fighting Russia. Putin knows this. He also knows that his economy is very fragile and if the West decides to impose strong sanctions, it could drive Russia into a huge depression.
Worse yet, China would emerge as a clear winner if Putin attacks. Sadly, Putin is the Donald Trump of Russia. His interests are personal and not connected to the wellbeing of Russia.
You are right that the Ukraine has a strong strategic value to Russia. The Ukraine hasn't displayed any desire to cut Russia and its interests off.
Both parties here are posturing to defend Ukraine. I suppose we have to. As far as I can tell, Europe needs to make the decision about how to deal with Russia.
Ukraine is not a buffer if becomes the part of the thing you are pledged to defend under NATO Article 5. It's only a buffer if it remains militarily neutral. So it's in the West's strategic interest to keep it that way.
DeleteI don't think Putin has any expansionist territorial aspirations whatsoever. Everything he's doing is to shore up Russia's (and by extension, his own personal) defenses.
It was one of Biden's biggest, most pandering, virtue signalling, nonsense to allow US energy independence and net exporter status to slip away, both domestically and internationally. And on top of that to greenlight the Russian pipeline to Germany while cancelling the domestic one!!!!! Idi-fucking-otic. That is certainly something Trump got right.
Putin has been publicly cosying up to China lately. Very public summits and being the "guest of honour" at the Olympics when the US diplomats have boycotted it. That is to prepare for the eventuality of Western sanctions. Incredibly stupid to drive Russia into China's economic arms like that, and over what exactly???
You got it right about the pipelines. I agree that making oil more expensive isn't a way to reduce consumption. All it does is penalize the middle class.
DeleteWe need to understand that China is at least as important as we are and not repeat the mistakes we made with the Soviet Union.
I disagree about Putin and territorial expansion. He's expressed an interest in restoring the Soviet Union. He's very dangerous in the same way Trump was. Both are more interested in cementing permanent power than improving their countries. Thank goodness we got rid of Trump. I'm not thrilled with Biden. He was the lesser of two evils.
Putin has stated that to the domestic audience, but never with precision, and he has made no moves that cannot be better explained by self-preservation.
DeleteWith Trump you are hallucinating. You have no evidence whatsoever for your position, and your mind reading skills are not that good. Trump legitimately believes there was a lot of fishyness with the election, and so do I. He thinks it was more than enough to sway the result, I say jury is out on that. Despite his belief, he did nothing illegal or unethical to attempt to stay in power, only taking legal and constitutional measures to challenge the result. His record as to his accomplishments while in office speak for themselves (see Accomplishments) as many Americans are gradually coming to realize. And does not any President wish to stay legally in power? Yes. Trump attempted to do so by keeping his promises and doing a good job for his country, and wished to stay in power on that basis. But I guess we'll agree to disagree on all that.
At least we agree on Ukraine and how useless Biden is!
The "fishiness" of the 2020 election was the (Gasp) inclusion of more minority votors. All this crap about a rigged election is just code for allowing blacks to vote. I know you don't believe it, but the fact is that when he was in office, Trump, like Putin, spent his time and our money shoring up his base (white,lower-middle-class).
DeleteNo, the fishyness was changing election procedures without state legislature approval, in many cases loosening the rules to make fraud almost inevitable. More fishyness is found in essentially unauditable voting machines. Yet more fishyness is fund in late night last minute drops of counts impossibly biased towards Biden.
DeleteAnd do you actually believe that being registered as a resident and requiring an ID to vote is racist? I think that's called "the bigotry of low expectations" and is a uniquely Democrat thing.
Just like only good republican is a dead republican, only good Russian is a dead Russian. Hopefully Biden, NATO, and every one of our allies send Russia straight to hell. Fuck Putin, Fuck Trump, and Fuck anyone and everyone who supports those twats.
ReplyDeleteConservative columnist Kurt Schlichter often often opines, “The Left wants us all dead or in prison.” Posters like this one, who, unfortunately is not unique, indicate his statement is not hyperbole. Neither is Schlichter’s prescription, “Buy guns and ammunition,” an unreasonable response. I can only imagine how hard this poster was rooting for Covid to wipe out me and half of America. Unfortunately for him, Covid got weaker and I got stronger. The party in power has been successful in othering those who disagree with them. History indicates that is a bad path for a free country. In the face of microbes and people who would do me harm, I continue to strive to be hard to kill. david
DeleteAmen to that
DeleteIt's a pleasure to agree with your political assessment, for once!!
ReplyDeleteRaul...
I apply the same research skills and logical approach to all issues. Perhaps you should check your biases on some of my other posts?
DeleteNice to be on the same side of a political opinion with Strict Julie, for once…..
ReplyDeleteSee above.
Delete1. Ukraine is independent country
ReplyDelete2. War in Crimea and East Ukraine started Russia, not Ukraine
3. To take small part of country by "orher hands" is new tactics of Russia's foreign politics
4. "Orher hands" - separatists, commercial forces
5. In 2008 was the same in Georgia/Sakartvelo
6. Baltic states and Poland are always speaking loudly about "friendly" Russia
because in history of these countries "friendly" Russians comings to them in each 50-100 years
1. Yes but, it was heavily in the Soviet sphere of interest. It was the Soviet sphere of influence.
Delete2. Was it really, or did the West have a hand in taking away all of Russia's options. War with Japan was started by the Japanese, but a complete oil embargo forced their hand.
3. Crimea is a very different situation.
4. And you think the pro-Western "other hands" are any different?
5. Yes, it was over entry into NATO. You think the world might have learned something?
6. Russia is asshoe!
Back to spanko issues, during your research did you find out the popular spanking methods/implements in Russia
ReplyDeleteI know they have the twig beating thing in saunas? That would be fun for a naked spanko gal when applied by a big burly guy!
DeleteSanctions will 1/ unite the Russians behind Putin, 2/further push Russia towards China, 3/ further raise the price of oil and gaz and inflation, 4/ split European Nato countries between those more or less dependent on Russian gaz, 5/ Russia exports only oil, gaz weapons and wheat, oil, gaz. Sanctions wont stop exports or oil, gaz and weapons. As far as wheat, American, Canadian, Ukranian, European farmers will be happy not to compete with Russia. China will be happy to buy all the Russian wheat to play hard ball, 6/ India is non-aligned and will do what it wants and wont mind trading with Russia, 7/ Turkey is another one who wont mind trading with Russia, 8/ Financially cutting Russia out, the ruble is worthless...
ReplyDeleteFor those who see this post as off-topic just consider how geopolitics is really just dominance and submission on a larger scale. Julie, did you research all this material just for this post or have you been following the situation all along just out of general interest? Certainly an impressive summary. If I was your teacher I'd give you an A for this report. - Frank
ReplyDeleteNo, didn't know anything about the sit before writing this. It's all on the front pages and everything and I was feeling really ignorant about it so went ahead and did my research. So thanks!
DeleteForgot 9/ Gaz from Qatar won't help, it has to be liquefied to be transported by ships which means pricier than Russian gaz
ReplyDeleteYes
DeleteWhy do you call it "the Ukraine"? It isn't called "The Ukraine". It's an independent country, just as much as yours is. It's just called "Ukraine".
ReplyDeleteMy Dad calls it that. Doing a bit of research, that's apparently what it was called before 1980? I think it sounds more romantic that way.
DeleteUkrainians does not think it's romantic. They think is patronizing and extremely disrespectful. That your father calls it that, shows he doesn't know much about Ukraine. Perhaps never been? If Ukrainians themselves want their country to be called Ukraine, and not "the Ukraine" as though it's not a sovereign country, I think everybody - including you and your father - should respect that. It's been a sovereign country since 1991 and the vast majority of Ukrainians want it to stay that way.
DeleteWow. Touchy. Lots of places have a "The", like, "The Yukon", "The Congo", "The USA", "The Netherlands", "The Arctic", "The United Kingdom", "The Maldives", and so on. Dad and I both respect the sovereignty of Ukraine. Try to be less offended, it's a terrible way to live.
DeleteThe French government showed its firmness. Putin burst out laughing. It's embarrassing.
ReplyDeleteI find it annoying that a reader would write that he is impressed that you show intelligence just because you are into spanking, giving and getting. Good post. I learned something. If anyone thinks EU or the US will go to war to defend Ukraine, they are in need of mental intervention. The threat, is that Russia will eventually try to take back all of Eastern Europe, including the Czech Republic and Poland. The latter may get US backing, (maybe) but do not count of NATO, especially the Germans, the Netherlands, or the Norwegians. They just aren’t interested in fighting.
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